What awful attitudes!

piper_for_hire · Oct 25, 2007

This is nothing but a few people bickering - and they get to do it anonymously. There will always be annoying people who enjoy upsetting everyone. If these thoughts were as predominant as some fear you would see a lot more of this, which you don't. Nothing to see here.

-S

piper_for_hire · Oct 25, 2007

pot calling the kettle black:idea:
-Smiley

Heh - yep - it's the same thing when some docs troll allnurses. There are always a few that attempt to ease their feelings of inferiority by trolling. Small price to pay for all the good stuff associated with online communities. Just try not to feed the trolls!

-S

Rage, RN · Oct 26, 2007

If I may interject for a second.....then like deepz I'll go back to sleep

My brother-in-law is a Pathologist, Mayo trained. He taught Med school in Quebec and recommended that I go into nursing because he believed in the "holistic" approach to nursing unlike the narrow etiology approach of today. He would be one of the first to stand up and vouch for the virtues/knowledge/dedication of nursing. As well I have heard him many times say how "this" nurse or "that" nurse knew about diseases that left the doctor's scratching their heads................and the nurse's were usually right.

Of course that forum espouses little quips about nursing, it IS a student doctor forum. More than likely some if not all of them have been put in their place by a nurse either during clinicals or in residency.

Let us not forget that for all of the knowledge they are suppose to have they spend the least amount of time with the actual patient........which is part of the reason that when I had a patient who "supposely" had leukimea actually had what I determined as Ewing's sarcoma ( you should have seen the look on that onocologist face as he humbly asked how I knew).

The point being: it's a student forum and they have oh so little experience in the real world, where they actually learn how little they really know.

Oh I forgot to mention...............my brother-in law started practicing medicine when he was 20 years old, he practiced until he was 71, at 73 now he has retired.........personally I give more credence to his point of view of nursing than the "snot docs" (no offense intended, that is what he calls student doctors)

RNNJ · Oct 27, 2007

A few pointed out that the requirements are different now, but they still think the ICU experience is inferior and that CRNA's are bound to make mistakes and will ultimately kill their patients.
Basically, CRNA's will never amount to an MD and they should go away.
I've read many threads on allnurses and I have never gone away with the ill feelings I have like I did when I finished reading that.

I'd be curious to see if any of them would actually be willing to sit in the OR for a case! I mean, how long do you see the docs sitting in the room? 5 minutes tops. So if CRNAs go away, they would actually have to work. :nono:

criticalcareRN · Oct 27, 2007

Just to make everyone feel a little bit better here is the link to a similar discussion on the same forum website....at least some of the members of that forum are educated and do know what they're talking about.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/archive/index.php/t-34470.html).

zrmorgan · Oct 27, 2007

if the drivel from an internet forum is making you reconsider going to crna school, what will motivate you to complete school when you learn more about anesthesia politics? the rivalry between the ASA and AANA has a very long and tortuous history, anyone who practices in anesthesia (CRNAs, MDAs, and AAs alike) must come to terms with their place at the table, and how it may change. If you want to reap the rewards from practicing anesthesia, you better be bold enough to face the politics.

I sure hope our CRNA programs are recruiting nurses who understand practice advocacy, and who are not intimidated easily.

What you must understand crnasomeday25 is that anesthesia patient safety, and anesthesia outcomes are decided by the scientific method, not by misguided posers who are spoonfed b.s. on sdn. It is up to you to decide from which you will make your judgements about quality anesthesia.

So please make up your own mind about where your "place" is, don't let it be decided by those who are trying to protect their turf.

On another thread in the general nursing forum, they were talking about the studentdoc.net forums, so I went over and took a look.
Well, a few of the nurses said the doc's on that forum were condenscending (sp) and snotty, but that was an understatment!
I am considering being a CRNA, but the doc's attitudes are making me think twice.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=4956167#post4956167

snuggie007 · Oct 29, 2007

don't let comments like these get under your skin or hinder you in anyway from your pursuit of becoming a crna (if that is what you really want), because you will run into individuals like that in all professions trust me! i worked in corporate america for a long time before i decided to go into nursing (and i would change a thing). comments such as these are not worth any justification. (if anything it says a lot about this person's character). comments like these are based on years of stereotypes, (i.e. nurses are doctor's hand maidens), not on evidence-- it's merely one opnion. if you are dedicated, your hard work and determination will speak for itself, and people will take notice. don't give up and good luck!

n_g · Oct 30, 2007

i say, follow the money. everyone wants to drive down costs. we can put up roadblocks, but how long is that gonna last?

Frigle · Nov 5, 2007

All you have to do is look at the research and you will see that pt outcome from CRNA's and MDA's are exactly the same. Doc's are just arrogant. Get used to it.