Oh geesh, classes have just started and ALREADY I have a problem.
You see I'm a vegetarian and my lab for Anatomy and Physiology has a part to it that is dissecting a cat. Problem is I have a respect for life and am a strict vegetarian (no leather, meat of any kind, etc.) This is part of the reason why I want to become a nurse - to help the world not hurt it. If I dissect a cat then I will be directly responsible for that cat having been killed. What should I do? The lab (as a whole) looks like it is one third of the final grade. I've already emailed the dean of students, and I'm waiting to hear back from him. I can't imagine that I'm the only one to ever have had this problem. Nursing schools weigh GPA very heavily. I want to kick ass.. any suggestions?
I can look in on others doing a dissection (as that is their own choice), but if I do it myself then I become responsible. Sigh.
Re: CC funding; Not entirely tax based. Lots of personal donors or corporations...around here anyway. I know they also hit the alumni up hard!
I'm not sure that is the case in CA. As far as alumni goes, hardly anyone feels any allegiance to a 2 year community college. Now the 4 year universities are different.
My husband still gets asked for money from his . . . . and he is an old guy.
(ok, gotta remember which thread I'm on . . .the CNA is a Nurse thread or the Nurse who hit the Jackpot thread, or the Veggie Tales Thread - I borrowed that last one)
I'm not sure that is the case in CA. As far as alumni goes, hardly anyone feels any allegiance to a 2 year community college. Now the 4 year universities are different.
My husband still gets asked for money from his . . . . and he is an old guy.
steph
I didn't know it took more than 2 years to form an allegiance to your school...what if you never went past the Associates? I'd hate to feel robbed of having my very own Alma Mater.
(ok, gotta remember which thread I'm on . . .the CNA is a Nurse thread or the Nurse who hit the Jackpot thread, or the Veggie Tales Thread - I borrowed that last one)
I didn't know it took more than 2 years to form an allegiance to your school...what if you never went past the Associates? I'd hate to feel robbed of having my very own Alma Mater.
Oh geesh, classes have just started and ALREADY I have a problem.
You see I'm a vegetarian and my lab for Anatomy and Physiology has a part to it that is dissecting a cat. Problem is I have a respect for life and am a strict vegetarian (no leather, meat of any kind, etc.) This is part of the reason why I want to become a nurse - to help the world not hurt it. If I dissect a cat then I will be directly responsible for that cat having been killed. What should I do? The lab (as a whole) looks like it is one third of the final grade. I've already emailed the dean of students, and I'm waiting to hear back from him. I can't imagine that I'm the only one to ever have had this problem. Nursing schools weigh GPA very heavily. I want to kick ass.. any suggestions?
I can look in on others doing a dissection (as that is their own choice), but if I do it myself then I become responsible. Sigh.
Thank you in advance..
Many schools will offer a virtual dissection program via computer, that bypasses the physical dissection portion. However, I do find that the skills learned in A&P lab are helpful in nursing. You learn how to maneuver small equipment, how to cleanly perform injections/incisions/dissections,and how to react to a body that you will be invading (dead or alive). All in all, it is a valuable experience.
Many schools will offer a virtual dissection program via computer, that bypasses the physical dissection portion. However, I do find that the skills learned in A&P lab are helpful in nursing. You learn how to maneuver small equipment, how to cleanly perform injections/incisions/dissections,and how to react to a body that you will be invading (dead or alive). All in all, it is a valuable experience.
When a student in our class inquired about just observing, she was told by the teacher that the reason we do this lab is for the tactile learning: maneuvering the instruments, getting a feel for the bones, muscles, tendons and ligaments and how they all overlap each other and work together to make up the whole. It was the hands on experience they were after.
Just a thought of what you will be missing if you decline or decide to go through with a computer module.
I respect your beliefs endlessly. I too have great respect for animal life and am an animals' rights advocate. I have had to dissect a cat and belive me it was truly painful. The cat was exactly like the fury feline I have on my lab right now .
However, I had to come to terms that I had no choice to do it. You are not responsible for its death. They did not go out an kill it especially for you or anyone. So, it might help somewhat to keep that in mind and feel guiltless.
Also, there is no way around it. Your instructor will not exempt you from it, so ultimately it is up to you if you want to do it or not. I know it is a tough decision but believe me that once you put things into perspective you it will be over soon and you will have your grade and able to put the experience behind you. Best wishes to you.
I didn't realize I was going to get slapped with the rude label by posting my opinion to a post asking for opinions. Why is one opinion rude and another not rude.
You know what, yes, I do think he should suck it up. Frankly, if I am in A&P class and I have to dissect a cat and someone else gets a free ride out of an intense lab due to "beliefs", then I am not going to be happy. Everyone here is competing their behinds off for very limited spots in their respective nursing programs. One grade can be the difference between getting in the program and wait list. So I do not think anyone deserves a free ride through any of their classes. I am prepared to work and do what needs to be done to get through my classes. For that matter, human beings are made of flesh, which in simple terms is... ta da... meat. Human cadavers may not come to us under the best circumstances either. They may have died due to falling through cracks in the system and ended up homeless and famliless.
The problem is not that there are cats for disection, the problem is that due to our domestication of cats and their subsequent overpopulation, they are being euthanized.
And if it was someone homeless I am pretty positve they were not experimented on or euthanized. As far as your sour grapes about the diversity of others that may share a class with you; you need to suck it up and practice tolerance and quit acting so petty! As a future nurse you will have to practice tolerance and understanding and learn to respect others beliefs. Imagine if you were put in a situation that would cause a great conflict with your belief system and you sought out advice and received feedback telling you to suck it up how would you feel?
Oh boy, how did I know that someone was going to come back with a tolerance and diversity speech. Look, if you will go back through the thread, I suggested another option- a human cadaver class. Someone else suggested another option- going through an online school with the ADAM program. It should be obvious that if someone is against animal dissection, taking an A&P program that disects animals is not the way to go. He has a choice. I start A&P in the fall. If someone is begging out of animal dissection, I will be right there behind them demanding that we either all are exempt from the lab or we all have to take it. It's not the most savory lab after all, where is the line drawn between strong beliefs, mild beliefs and just an intense dislike. One person says, "I'm vegetarian by religion and wont' cut up an animal", the next says, "I'm vegetarian by choice and won't cut." The next says, "I'm a devoted cat lover and won't cut." The next says, "Ew, gross, I'm not cutting up a cut little kitty cat, I don't believe in cutting up pets." The next guy thinks, "Hey, I don't want to do this either, I'm going to say I don't believe in cutting up animals." Where do you, as an instructor, draw the line between "belief"? Just curious.
As far as "tolerance and diversity" go. First off, you know nothing of me, my beliefs or medical issues I have made in the past that came in conflict with medical opinion. How I practice with my patients is one thing. How I feel about someone who voluntarily took a science class with me, is quite another. We are all healthy individuals with choices here on how we go about our schooling and what profession we seek. Quite different from someone who became ill, which is more often than not involuntary, and has to deal with the medical system.
Oh boy, how did I know that someone was going to come back with a tolerance and diversity speech. Look, if you will go back through the thread, I suggested another option- a human cadaver class. Someone else suggested another option- going through an online school with the ADAM program. It should be obvious that if someone is against animal dissection, taking an A&P program that disects animals is not the way to go. He has a choice. I start A&P in the fall. If someone is begging out of animal dissection, I will be right there behind them demanding that we either all are exempt from the lab or we all have to take it. It's not the most savory lab after all, where is the line drawn between strong beliefs, mild beliefs and just an intense dislike. One person says, "I'm vegetarian by religion and wont' cut up an animal", the next says, "I'm vegetarian by choice and won't cut." The next says, "I'm a devoted cat lover and won't cut." The next says, "Ew, gross, I'm not cutting up a cut little kitty cat, I don't believe in cutting up pets." The next guy thinks, "Hey, I don't want to do this either, I'm going to say I don't believe in cutting up animals." Where do you, as an instructor, draw the line between "belief"? Just curious.
As far as "tolerance and diversity" go. First off, you know nothing of me, my beliefs or medical issues I have made in the past that came in conflict with medical opinion. How I practice with my patients is one thing. How I feel about someone who voluntarily took a science class with me, is quite another. We are all healthy individuals with choices here on how we go about our schooling and what profession we seek. Quite different from someone who became ill, which is more often than not involuntary, and has to deal with the medical system.
In life their will be a lot of obstacles that we have to face in nursing. This is small! complete the task,finish the course, then say thank you Jesus its over. If not just give up nursing! :balloons: :balloons: :rotfl:
Oh geesh, classes have just started and ALREADY I have a problem.
You see I'm a vegetarian and my lab for Anatomy and Physiology has a part to it that is dissecting a cat. Problem is I have a respect for life and am a strict vegetarian (no leather, meat of any kind, etc.) This is part of the reason why I want to become a nurse - to help the world not hurt it. If I dissect a cat then I will be directly responsible for that cat having been killed. What should I do? The lab (as a whole) looks like it is one third of the final grade. I've already emailed the dean of students, and I'm waiting to hear back from him. I can't imagine that I'm the only one to ever have had this problem. Nursing schools weigh GPA very heavily. I want to kick ass.. any suggestions?
I can look in on others doing a dissection (as that is their own choice), but if I do it myself then I become responsible. Sigh.
- I borrowed that last one)
You crack me up. Nitey nite on that one...
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sbic56, BSN, RN
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He has choices, even now.
Re: CC funding; Not entirely tax based. Lots of personal donors or corporations...around here anyway. I know they also hit the alumni up hard!