Under the Covers: My Experience With Post-op Pain Control

You have to have surgery. Surgery is scary. From the moment it is scheduled there is a lot of planning to do. I recently had surgery, and being in the hospital bed, although not brand new to me, isn’t where I would choose to be. My recent experience refreshed my memory of my previous experiences with immediate post op pain control, or lack of.

As nurses, we are used to being in control. We help manage our patient's medications, their diet, and activity. No matter where nurses work, we have to organize our day in order to get everything done. Much of the time we feel like we are barely keeping our heads above water. Nursing has changed so much over the years, and it feels like more responsibility is added all the time.

At some point, we will all find ourselves under the covers instead of standing at the bedside. It is unnerving to say the least. We must at that point put ourselves in the care of the nurses, nurse anesthetists, anesthesiologists, doctors, and surgeons. It makes me nauseous just thinking about it. Knowing so much can be a blessing and a curse at the same time. Personally, I don't announce that I'm a nurse, but they usually figure it out when I start asking questions or requesting certain things.

Very recently, I found myself under the covers. I felt like throwing up, crying, and running out the door in my lovely hospital gown. Things began running through my head, what if I die? Throw a clot? Stroke? Wake up on a ventilator in ICU? I have seen too many things happen. My husband sat in the chair next to my bed with no idea of what was going on in my head. I took a deep breath and reminded myself that I had prayed about this, and I had to put my trust in God.

My admitting nurse did a great job, and the nurse anesthetist and anesthesiologist made me feel taken care of and listened to. With a tendency for post op nausea, they gave me a scopolamine patch and marinol. The marinol was new to me for post op nausea and vomiting. Everything worked well, because I did not have any nausea or vomiting.

I don't remember PACU, but I do remember being rolled back to day surgery. I heard the nurse give report and then nothing. When you are in that space of waking up from anesthesia, you can go from sleeping to awake with severe pain. Any pain medications given at this point were probably given towards the beginning of the surgery and this is hours later, or one may have gotten pain medication in PACU. Anesthesia is pain blocking, but as it wears off, one can still have severe pain.

My husband took a picture of me when I first got back to day surgery and I was grimacing and crying in pain. As my head cleared, I looked around and saw that I had a blood pressure cuff on but it wasn't attached to anything, in fact, there was no monitor in the room. Not once was my pain level assessed or not one vital was taken. No temperature, B/P, heart rate, or pulse. I was flabbergasted. Someone came in the room and brought me a ginger ale and a cup of ice. They placed it on the bedside table at the end of the bed. I had no idea it was there. My husband helped me out of course, but what if he wasn't there?

Aside from the neglectful nursing, my point here that I am trying to make is that there seems to be a misconception about the post op period in regard to pain management. I remember when my mother-in-law had lumbar surgery. I was sitting in the chair just being there for her. She would wake up and cry out in pain, say a few words then drift off back to sleep. I told the nurse when she came in that she was in pain, and the nurse refused to give her anything because she had her eyes closed.

One thing I do know, is that once a pain level gets severe, it is really difficult to get under control. The period of waking up from anesthesia is often confused as the patient being comfortable. If the patient wakes up and cries, grimaces, any of the pain indicators, then they are having pain. If the patient's pain is well controlled initially, then they will recover faster. They will move more, eat better, therefore help to prevent surgery related sequela such as pneumonia.

Several years ago, I had another major surgery. For this one, I was admitted overnight on the orthopedic floor. I don't remember much about the day of surgery, but that night, I was more awake and beginning to shake off the effects of anesthesia. The nurse came in and I told him I was in a lot of pain. He replied in a very sarcastic manner that I had a pain pump, with the button on the left side of my bed. What!? I looked over and sure enough, there was the magic button. I began pushing that button until I felt better physically and emotionally.

I had no idea that the pain pump was available to me. Once again, it is forgotten that patients need to be assessed and reassessed. I feel that the nurse should have walked over to the bedside and put the pump in my hand and explained it to me, more than once if need be.

My whole point of writing this is to voice my experience with post op pain control. I feel that sometimes it can be inadequate due to the nurses' misconception of the role of anesthesia and pain control in post op care. Pay attention to nonverbal cues as well as when a patient complains of pain. Give pain med when appropriate, it will help the patient recover.

Has anyone else experienced this? Please share your experience.

I had minor surgery a year ago, and was offered 1-Norco 5/325 or a Motrin after I woke up from anesthesia for a pain rating of an "8." Seriously? I think with all of the recent concern over opioid overuse and abuse, pain control has become less of a "necessity" and almost like an unwelcome burden to the provider and facility. Our facility can't seem to get it together for a cohesive pain management protocol. We are told to only give pain meds if the patient is experiencing pain, and it had better be above a "6" for any narcotics. However, you can about guess when a surgery block is about ready to wear off, and I like to give my patients "preventitive" pain meds about an hour or two before, but because they're rating their pain at about a "2 or 3", by protocol, I shouldn't be giving anything more than Tylenol, and then BOOM! An hour later they are wincing and telling me their pain is a 6 or above. Just because the nation is in an opioid crisis doesn't mean that post-surgical pain just magically disappeared and that opioids and narcotics aren't proper ways to treat it! There needs to be thoughtful, reasonable discussion about how to treat people's pain without going overboard, but also being realistic. After ortho surgery, and being stuck on a table with saws, files, etc. being used to do your surgery, you're going to hurt like hell without any pain meds. Giving someone oxycontin would be appropriate. If they're STILL needing Oxy 3 weeks post-op, then something is terribly wrong, and THEN needs to be addressed but not post-op. This is one of the most frustrating parts of my job.

I am a retired nurse with 53 years of experience in med-surg and psychiatry.

Recently, I had surgery that required sedation and anesthesia. I am always astrongly affected by sedation and actually remember very little of my first 2 post-op days. I was encouraged to take pain medications although I was so sedated I didn't feel pain.

What disturbs me the most, even now, is that I was discharged although I had no idea what my follow-up care should be. I kept saying I wasn't ready to go home but everyone, nurses, physical and occupational therapists, and even the doctor who assisted with my surgery said I was and I was discharged accordingly. If my head had been clear I would have demanded to see a social worker, a case manager, and my surgeon. As I was, I just followed directions and home I went.

I had no idea what to do with my leg brace or ice pack machine. Simple things and perhaps I was instructed in them but my mind was so fuzzy I couldn't remember. It is like the nurse who came in and was sarcastic about your pain button next to your bed. How did he not know that we all need to be reinstructed in every aspect of care til we can repeat and/or demonstrate it back clearly?

I'm not sure that is because we nurses are so busy, as we are not instructed ourselves in the effects of anesthesia on our minds. I worked in Home Health for 30 years, and one of the things all of my team knew was that reality and time orientation were needed for days and sometimes weeks for any older person who had anesthesia.

Surgery is not just a physical experience, it is mental, emotional, and spiritual as well.

Specializes in Oncology.

I wish more surgeons felt comfortable using Toradol.

I had major abdominal surgery last Spring to treat a 27cm ovarian tumor. I have another condition that opiates had the potential of exacerbating. The other condition is finally controlled, but it took 20 years to get there (I've had it my whole life), and it was the reason I wasn't too upset about the tumor-that condition had been so much worse subjectively! So I figured I'd rather be in more pain than even chance it.

Thankfully I had a great surgeon. I had a mild kidney injury from the tumor causing hydronephrosis/compression of the renal arteries, but she correctly figured they'd be able to handle a couple doses. I also have ITP but my platelet count was 95. We figured that the benefits outweighed the risks since opiates were off the table. She used Toradol intraoperatively and I had two doses post op, 12 hours apart, before going to Tylenol. Kidneys were stable. No bleeds either. I was in pain yes but I was able to walk around, exercise, etc. while keeping a 100% clear mind and not triggering the other condition.

A friend of a friend had the same surgery pretty much, 20cm lymphoid tumor in her case, same incision as me, same overall procedure and I actually had more tissue removed. This girl has had multiple difficult surgeries in her life due to CHD, the last of which was just a couple years ago. She's a year older than me, and around the same height/build. She had no Toradol but rather Dilaudid. And she was way more comfortable at rest than I was, but whenever she moved she was in agony. She suffered a lot more than I did, it was awful. I got pretty lucky by comparison. I could eat sooner than she could, I was in less overall pain because moving wasn't really much worse than sitting, and I had a faster physical recovery and I'm normally slow to heal.

I know one person does not make for a clinical trial. But I think that "cleaner" forms of pain control and the willingness to use Toradol on patients whose bodies can tolerate it will solve most of these issues.

I had a double mastectomy in April.........my pain control was EXCELLENT! I was up in the chair 2hrs out of recovery and walking in the hall 3hrs after that. Went home the next morning.

My son was injured in Iraq and eventually received OAT surgery for an area on his foot. We were all there when he woke up...in pain. He did have a PCA and as he started to wake up (took him about half hour) I was pushing that PCA every chance I could get. The staff told me to eave it alone and if he was in pain he would tell them. When he wok up he was crying in pain. It took the nurse 20 mins to just come into his room, no apology no nothing just OK what do you want. She wanted him to try his PCA before she gave him the big stuff.

I went to track down a physician and they did give him a shot...this was about 45 mins from the time he woke up to the time he got his shot. No one cared about his pain at all but me...his mom...a nurse. He was released 5 days later and on the day of release he had a heavy therapy session. They gave him no pain pills...nothing. All I had was naproxen at home. I have dear friends who could prescribe and they did just that for my son. This was a VA hospital. When my son went back for his check up a week later someone had tagged his chart that he was drug seeking. Well at the time HE WAS, he was in pain seeking for pain medication. He has never asked for pain medication since even going through PT for weeks he just took some NSAID prior to therapy. I instructed him to get the record amended, went to QA at the hospital and they finally took that out of my sons records. Today he continues with the National Guard and is a mechanical engineer. I will never understand why people do what they do.

I'm sorry your son experienced so much pain, it is illegal for us to allow the family of patients to press the button for PCA :( and by saying you have "friends" who prescribed him meds does indicate a little level of shadiness and I wonder if that's why his chart was tagged. I'm glad to hear you guys got things straightened out. I remember giving birth and thinking if I didn't get pain meds asap I was going to die, the only thing worse than that would have been seeing my kid in pain!

Specializes in LTC, CPR instructor, First aid instructor..

I had uncontrolled severe pain a few years ago. I was even on two different narcotics that did not solve the problem. Then a neurologist ordered an antidepressent. That completely aleviated the pain, and I was so grateful. I had a pinched nerve.

I wish more surgeons felt comfortable using Toradol.

I had major abdominal surgery last Spring to treat a 27cm ovarian tumor. I have another condition that opiates had the potential of exacerbating. The other condition is finally controlled, but it took 20 years to get there (I've had it my whole life), and it was the reason I wasn't too upset about the tumor-that condition had been so much worse subjectively! So I figured I'd rather be in more pain than even chance it.

Thankfully I had a great surgeon. I had a mild kidney injury from the tumor causing hydronephrosis/compression of the renal arteries, but she correctly figured they'd be able to handle a couple doses. I also have ITP but my platelet count was 95. We figured that the benefits outweighed the risks since opiates were off the table. She used Toradol intraoperatively and I had two doses post op, 12 hours apart, before going to Tylenol. Kidneys were stable. No bleeds either. I was in pain yes but I was able to walk around, exercise, etc. while keeping a 100% clear mind and not triggering the other condition.

A friend of a friend had the same surgery pretty much, 20cm lymphoid tumor in her case, same incision as me, same overall procedure and I actually had more tissue removed. This girl has had multiple difficult surgeries in her life due to CHD, the last of which was just a couple years ago. She's a year older than me, and around the same height/build. She had no Toradol but rather Dilaudid. And she was way more comfortable at rest than I was, but whenever she moved she was in agony. She suffered a lot more than I did, it was awful. I got pretty lucky by comparison. I could eat sooner than she could, I was in less overall pain because moving wasn't really much worse than sitting, and I had a faster physical recovery and I'm normally slow to heal.

I know one person does not make for a clinical trial. But I think that "cleaner" forms of pain control and the willingness to use Toradol on patients whose bodies can tolerate it will solve most of these issues.

I was given toradol for 4 doses this past surgery. I did not find it helped much. Toradol has its place and I've had it many times over the years but I find it works for certain types of pain and pain that is not terrible. When your at 8/10 toradol isn't touching a thing.

Wow -- don't get me started.

And --- I promise: I couldn't make this up.

When I had a posterior fusion - after a week in the hospital pre-op on IV fentanyl for intractable pain and 13 hours in the OR - I was in surgical ICU. I got one dose of IV fentanyl. The nurse 'caring for me' decided I was drug-seeking (based on who knows what - I didn't know her, she'd never met me), so she got my pain pump order canceled and the pain relief order she asked the intensivist for was a fraction of the dose I'd been on preop: 1 mg fentanyl every 2 hours prn.

And....just to make everything great: she took away my call light and closed the sliding glass door to my cubicle.

I promise - I couldn't make this up.

No surprise -- I ended up with PTSS. All I could remember was seeing the glare of the fluorescent lights....and that I kept asking for help.....that never came until the next morning. That was a very long night........horribly long.

Specializes in Critical Care.
Wow -- don't get me started.

And --- I promise: I couldn't make this up.

When I had a posterior fusion - after a week in the hospital pre-op on IV fentanyl for intractable pain and 13 hours in the OR - I was in surgical ICU. I got one dose of IV fentanyl. The nurse 'caring for me' decided I was drug-seeking (based on who knows what - I didn't know her, she'd never met me), so she got my pain pump order canceled and the pain relief order she asked the intensivist for was a fraction of the dose I'd been on preop: 1 mg fentanyl every 2 hours prn.

And....just to make everything great: she took away my call light and closed the sliding glass door to my cubicle.

I promise - I couldn't make this up.

No surprise -- I ended up with PTSS. All I could remember was seeing the glare of the fluorescent lights....and that I kept asking for help.....that never came until the next morning. That was a very long night........horribly long.

You were on 1mg of fentanyl q 2hrs? That's roughly equivalent to 100mg of morphine every 2 hours, that is an impressive amount, and while dosing is all relative, I can see how that would raise some eyebrows.

Boy did this bring back memoies. Many years ago before I ever entered the medical field or Nursing, I had an ACL reconstruction. I rememember waking up and it seemed some time later that my knee really started hurting. I dont remember seeing a nurse right away. I used the call bell and asked if I could get some pain meds for the knee. The person on the intercom said to use the PCA button. I had no clue what she was talking about. Some minutes later the nurse comes in and a bit irritated showed me the PCA button and said "Dont you remember we showed you this" . I did not remember a thing and had to ask what it was for and how to use it. So she apparently had to "reeducate" me!!. Then not long after that , Physical Therapy came in trying to show me exercises, but I kept falling asleep and they kept getting annoyed. I asked if they could come back later, but I was informed that It was almost 5 and thats when they get off. Wow!! So I can really relate to your story

Specializes in PACU.
1 mg fentanyl every 2 hours prn.

But maybe you have your dose/medication wrong.

I dose a max of 50 mcg of fentanyl at a time (I can titrate 25-50 mcg every 5 mins) over an hour that would be 600mcg.....but the max I can dose is 200-300mcg (depending on the anesthesiologist.)

1mg = 1000 mcg.

PCA dosing of fentanyl is 0.5-2mcg/kg/hr. (1mg/2h = 1000mcg/2hr = 500mcg/hr)

2mcg/kg/hr= 500mcg/hr

kg=250

So in order to dose at the rate you have described a patient would have to be 250kg/550lbs in weight.

Your experience sounds horrible, with being shoved in a room, being dismissed and ignored... taking away a call light and treating a patient that way is NEVER ok. I am certainly not trying to take away from that.

I only bring this up because we often get new nurses on the site and I would hate for someone to have read this and think that dose was ok, then read an order wrong and give too much causing respiratory failure in their patient.

Specializes in PACU.
The person on the intercom said to use the PCA button. I had no clue what she was talking about. Some minutes later the nurse comes in and a bit irritated showed me the PCA button and said "Dont you remember we showed you this" . I did not remember a thing and had to ask what it was for and how to use it.

These nurses need education in a bad way and fast!! Of course you didn't remember it... I answer the same questions dozens of times as a patient wakes up... and introduce myself at least as many times... I'm going to bet most will never remember seeing me, let alone my name.

There is a great amount of amnesia with anesthesia, and thank goodness, some things are not meant to be remembered. Nurses that work with post-op surgical patients should plan to continuely re-educate up to 24 hours after anesthesia.

That's how long before the total effects wear off and why we make patients have loved one with them when they leave from same day surgery.... even hours later, when patients are deemed good to go home, we don't expect them to remember post-op instructions. We should expect inpatients to have an even harder time... normally their surgeries are longer with more meds used.