Training on Dialysis

r0b0c0p · May 12, 2012

What dialysis centers offer weekend trainings? I am only available every saturdays and sundays because of work that's why I am searching for a dialysis training during weekends. Thanks in advance to those who will reply. :)

rogue_maverick · May 12, 2012

What? 35K? I wasn't aware it was that expensive.

Well, that is an amount that you just can't disregard. But it is still your call. Try also inquiring at NKTI. They have a dialysis nursing training that's quite cheaper for the same length of training, at around 26k.

The demand for renal nurses are so actually high, especially in Europe and the Caribbean. Where I am working right now, we are understaffed. Sadly, they don't hire much renal nurses from the Philippines due to:

1) issues in recognizing of renal nursing certification. (They don't recognize our RENAP accreditation, I got hired because of my length of experience in dialysis.)

2) very high cost of bringing in expats, example. plane tickets (costs around $2000 for a flight from Manila to Amsterdam, just imagine how much would that cost for let's say, 10 nurses to come all at the same time), accomodation, attractive compensation packages.

Another point to consider is, in these countries, renal nursing is a specialization requiring further university education after BSN. The program takes 1 year 8 months to complete, with clinical rotations to CAPD, acute and chronic hemodialysis, CRRT (ICU dialysis), plasmapheresis, and kidney transplant surgery, etc. exposures. So for them, when you call yourself a renal nurse, your should have at least been exposed for a certain number of months in these areas.

What we have in the Philippines is only exposure to hemodialysis, and usually at a chronic setting. That's why they don't recognize our RENAP accreditation because we usually get training and experience only in hemodialysis. (Lucky for those working in tertiary hospitals who have CAPD and CRRT treatments modalities).

dodoy, BSN, RN · May 13, 2012

It is indeed a valid point to widen the scope of practice of a nurse aspiring to be a "renal/nephrology" nurse. Hemodialysis is just a part and parcel of a broad scope of nephrology nursing. I also second the motion that our practice is somehow limited (mostly confined in hemo) which may be due to the fact that there are very limited institutions offering the other modalities (PD, KT and other CRRT procedures).

I believe this will still be the case for the years to come, until other modalities will be made more available here in the Philippines, of course at a cost affordable to patients. I believe nurse_harbee, as an officer of RENAP, can shed a better light on this.

In my point of view, people here in the Philippines with CKD would still be choosing hemo over PD. High maintenance cost and the fear of complications being some of the factors causing them to choose hemo over PD. Not many people can afford to shell out instant money for KT, so for the patients to have their blood cleaned for the mean time, they chose to undergo hemo since it does not require a big shell out of money in a flash. The drawback however is the cumulative cost in the long run.

to r0b0c0p,

Seldom will you see HD centers offering such schedules (like weekends only). Most are chronic centers operating from Monday to Saturday, and Sunday being their rest day. A request for limited exposure is a disadvantage as many are willing to undergo such training. In case they are evaluating you and your co-trainees for possible employment, you will be left out. Being familiar with the system is not something you learn over a short time. Good quality exposure and focus are needed. Hope this helps =)

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There has been an increasing number of institutions offering HD training for a high cost. If only they would include PD and CRRT in their training then I think that would be somehow a bang for our bucks (at the very least).

rogue_maverick · May 13, 2012

Very well said dodoy. High five!

rogue_maverick · May 13, 2012

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There has been an increasing number of institutions offering HD training for a high cost. If only they would include PD and CRRT in their training then I think that would be somehow a bang for our bucks (at the very least).

Precisely. Then at least aspiring renal nurses would be more willing to shell out let's say at 25K or 35k pesos, but exposure would include acute and chronic hemodialysis, PD and CRRT. (Even I would be interested in that.).

In short, it would be a COMPLETE renal nursing program.

And it would be very good if the curriculum is standardized across all institutions offering renal nursing programs.

JLLandero · May 14, 2012

Now it got me thinking whether to avail a training for HD or just look for a hospital to volunteer. I haven't had a job for a year now (urgh, my husband and I worked in war-torn Libya last year, thus we came back here in the Phil) and the consultancy agency that I am applying for said that my work gap must only be 12 months and they accept paid or non-paid work experience. And since I am bored right now, we've decided to take a training at a dialysis center near our place. I forgot the name of HD center and I don't even know if it is RENAP-accredited. It's here in San Andres Bukid near the LRT-Quirino station.

Anyway, I am also thinking of changing specialties since working in the ICU is very tiring >_

***Ack, nevermind... I just found out that it is Nephrology Center Manila of NephroGroup Dialysis Centers. ^^ Now I'm happy and motivated.

rogue_maverick · May 14, 2012

Make the most of your training JLLandero.

shamie · May 17, 2012

hi..actually the fee for the hd training @ nephro group is 25k and its good for 4 months..you have an option to extend for another 3 months but there will be an additional monthly fee

yahnyhan · May 19, 2012

hi guys. i'm a newbie here. i want to have dialysis training. where do you think can i have the best training? i am thinking of national kidney transplant institute. any info? please help

JLLandero · May 21, 2012

25k?!?! seriously? Ack... are there any other centers offering a much cheaper price for training? >.

hazyblue · May 22, 2012

Is there any hospital that I can volunteer for free?

JLLandero · Jun 5, 2012

Just asked again at the Nephrology Center Manila here in San Andres about their HD training... I just need a recent BLS and an updated IVT, plus resume and a cash bond of 8k then voila! I'm ready to go. But they do not have a definite schedule as of now as when the training would actually start.