Tips for bringing your child to the ER (rant)

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I was working in the pediatric ER the other night, and by the middle of the shift, I felt like jumping off the Verazzano Bridge. We had about 50 people waiting to be seen in the waiting room, with the average wait time about 6-8 hours. I am tempted to print this out and post it by the area where you sign in.

Feel free to add to this list!!

1) If your child has a fever, TREAT IT. Please dont let your baby have a 106 fever all day and not give them motrin or tylenol because "you want us to see that the child has a temp" or "my child doesnt like the taste of medicine". I doubt you or your child will like going into febrile seizures either. It wasnt the best idea for you to let your child have a fever for 3 WEEKS and then come in and expect to be seen RIGHT NOW.

2)If your child has a fever, dont keep them bundled up in a snow suit, 3 sweaters, wrapped in 2 blankets. I know the baby feels chilly, but they dont need to accumulate any more heat.

3) I know you know how much your baby weighs approximately, but we DO need to weigh the child again, and yes, we also need to weigh them without all the clothes/shoes on. Pediatric medications are based soley on weight, and we need an exact weight in kilograms order to not over/underdose them.

4) The order of being seen is based on patient acuity, not time of arrival. The child that checked in 2 minutes ago that can hardly breathe IS going to be seen before your child with the flu. Yes, we know your child is sick and that you have been waiting here for 6 hours, but the ER is not first come first serve. We need to see the sickest (and youngest in some cases first) The baby who is 6 weeks old who is sick cant wait, but the 2 year old probably can. We are trying our best to get you in and out as fast as we can.

5) Yes I know your pediatrician called ahead and they sent you here, but so did everyone elses. It seems that pediatricians these days are sending people to the ER for bloodwork/x-rays, ect that could wait to be done in SOME cases until you can get to the lab/radiology center the next day. If waiting to the next day is an option, do it. Chances are, you will be in the waiting room until the next day anyway before you are seen.

6) If your child has an earache or some other minor ailment, please bring them/call the pediatric office before you head to the ER. I promise you, if you bring your child to the ER for an ear infection or strep throat (unless instructed by your doctor or the child has an extensive medical history), you WILL be there all night waiting.

7) Yes, we do need to do a rectal temperature. I know your child doesnt like it, but we need the most accurate temp when the child has a fever in order to treat it.

8) If your pediatrician is sending you over, please ask for written instructions/orders. Parents tend to overdramatize the childs condition, and when I read the report/orders from the doctor they are usually much different from what the parent says. The parents will tell me that the child is in "severe respiratory distress" and the report says mild/moderate, and the child is sitting up, awake with an oxygen saturation of 100%. Besides, 9 times out of 10, the doctor will have given the child medication in the office and we need to know exactly what was given, how much and what time. Telling me that the child got "two breathing treatments and a steriod" doesnt help.

9) I know waiting in the waiting room is equal to a stay in hell, but I dont advise you to be going in and out. If they call you while you are out, they are going to think you left, and you probably wont be called again. If you really need to go outside to make a phone call ect, let the clerk know you will be right back.

10) I know you and your child dont like having an IV started or having blood drawn. Sometimes we need to do this. Dont start crying or freak out while we are doing this. Your reaction has a huge impact on how the child reacts. If you act like we are stabbing you in the neck, the child is not going to be calm either. Once the IV is in, please dont touch it. I know it sometimes hurts, but if you fiddle with it and it falls out of place than we need to do it all over again. If it looks "funny" or is causing pain, call the nurse/doctor and we will take a look at it and see if its OK.

11) If you gave your child any medications before you came in, please write down/remember what time you gave it, how much and what you gave them.

12) We know you have been waiting a long time, but we honestly cannot tell you when you will be seen. It could be 10 minutes, it could be 10 hours. Coming to the desk every 5 minutes asking, trying to choke the clerk, or trying to break the door down (this actually happened) is not going to get you seen any faster. In fact, it may buy you a visit from the police and/or child protective services.

Originally posted by imagin916

I was working in the pediatric ER the other night, and by the middle of the shift, I felt like jumping off the Verazzano Bridge. We had about 50 people waiting to be seen in the waiting room, with the average wait time about 6-8 hours. I am tempted to print this out and post it by the area where you sign in.

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Yeah but is it worth paying that expensive toll just to jump off???

Unless you live in staten island then it would only be a one way trip and you wouldn't have to pay going that way

I don't argue that their are plenty of stupid people out there who really don't need to visit the ED for certain things. But, I personally have a rant against the ED myself.

A couple of years ago, when my youngest son was five years old, I went down to Southern Oregon to visit my mother. At the time she lived 19 miles out of town on five acres. It was in August and the yellow jackets that year were horrible. One evening, around 7:30, both my kids were outside playing when my youngest accidentally stepped on a nest (the one's in the ground) and was swarmed with yellow jackets. He suffered multiple stings, most of the wasps I had to flick off of him myself. Since he had never been stung before and d/t multiple stings I had no clue what kind of a reaction he was going to have. I also was not going to wait for EMS, so we all jumped in the car and I took off like a bat out of hell for the ED.

Fortunately my son did not have anaphylaxis, but he suffered immense pain to the point of screaming at the top of his lungs for three hours straight (yes, that's how long it took before we were seen). One of the stings he suffered was right under a fingernail, and I'm sure anyone who has ever gotten anything stuck under their fingernail knows it hurts to high heaven. I finally asked admissions if they could give him something for the pain (all they gave him in triage was one ice pack, for multiple stings!) and was told they couldn't give him anything until he was seen by the doctor first, but that I could give him something if I had it. Well, I didn't have anything on me, the hospital pharmacy was closed, and I was not about to drive around town looking for a pharmacy that was open. Would be just my luck that as soon as I get halfway down the road he would go into anaphylactic shock. At least the other people waiting tried their best to help calm him by taking turns holding him and rocking him, even they were mad because they wouldn't give him anything for the pain and he wasn't even their child. Would it have hurt to pull a doc aside for one second to get a tylenol order for my son? I know the ED was a little on the busy side that night, but in my opinion that's no excuse to leave a five year old in that much pain for that length of time.

As for fevers and such, my oldest son always ran high fevers when he came down with otitis media, we're talking 104 temp that not even tylenol or motrin would touch. The only thing that would bring the fever down was when he was started on antibiotics, and of course he would always come down with this on the weekends when his pediatricians office was closed so naturally we took him to the ED. I remember always getting the 3rd degree from the nurses about what measures I've tried (tylenol, motrin, tepid baths, light clothes, etc.). Yes, we tried them all and nothing worked. After awhile, they themselves became accustomed to the idea that the only thing that helped my son was antibiotics, so when we went there on future visits we didn't get the 3rd degree anymore.

Specializes in medical/telemetry/IR.

Thats why I allways carry my emergency toolbox in car. It has every thing I might need to treat my kids or DH. fits right under a seat. Have tylenol, motrin, benadryl, etc in it. Really has come in handy when we are traveling. My sister seems to love going to the ER. Not me . can't stand going there.

Specializes in OB, lactation.

I don't think I've *ever* taken my kids to the ER (oldest of 3 is now 6.5). I guess we are lucky, no major illnesses and I don't bother for minor viruses, etc.

I did take a foster child to the ER once - he had a hydrocele and THAT one I wasn't so sure about!!! LOL (before I was in nursing school or anything)...

WOW craftylady! That's HORRIBLE! your poor son! i would have been LIVID. I think i probably would have made such an ass out of myself while there they would have HAD to see me ASAP just to shut me up and get me out of there!

I also carry a box of supplies. Its got pretty much everything in it, just in case. i usually have only had to break it out for minor cuts and scrapes. I think my fav thing in there is the Benadryl cream and steri strips. lol

I've only had to take my son to the ER 2x. Once when he fell and cut open his eyebrow, and i couldn't get it to stop bleeding. I took him in and it would have only taken one stitch, and the ER doc thought that might do him more harm than good. So he helped me tape and secure it in the waiting room, and didn't charge me. lol But it DID take both of us and some super strong steri strips and tape! And another time we were visiting in TX, and Gage got sick from all the allergies, etc..and it turned into a nasty cold/sinus infection. No ped would see me since we weren't from there, so to the ER clinic we went. Had to wait about 30 minutes which wasn't bad, and cost my insurance about $180, but oh well. He needed antibiotics, and was MISERABLE. Was worth it.

Specializes in ER, PACU.

Thank you all for listening to my rant, and if I would have seen a child like any of yours (the bee stings, fever that tylenol and motrin wont touch) they would have been upgraded in triage, especially the child with the multiple bee stings. We give tylenol and motrin in triage for pain and fever in peds, and we recheck the temp in one hour. The other night when I was there, *magically* all but one of the kids we gave the motrin/tylenol to had thier fever come down to normal, even the ones with 106 temps. I guess we have "special" meds in the ER! As for the pediatricians not giving orders, if they are sending over children in this ED, they are required to send over some kind of instructions/report or at least call ahead, unless they are sending the kid by ambulance and in that case we get the information from the EMT. Maybe my rant will change once the winter is over and the flu season is over, since almost all the children we are seeing lately have the flu. I think there were only a handful of kids the other night that we had that DIDNT have the flu.

The other night when I was there, *magically* all but one of the kids we gave the motrin/tylenol to had thier fever come down to normal, even the ones with 106 temps. I guess we have "special" meds in the ER!

LOL! You have the Midas touch!!!!!

I know its a rant, i'd be doing the same thing i'm sure if i were in your shoes!!!!!

Specializes in ED staff.

Isn't amazing what the correct dose of tylenol or ibuprofen can do?

one of my favorites is what we had to tell the mother who just had her 12th baby....

"just because you have already had 11 babies, does not mean that you can just let nature take it's course and go on with your daily house chores. the baby must have it's cord cut, checked out by the md and the baby must be wrapped up to be protected from the cold, not the placenta!

fortunatly, the baby did well after warming a little dw.10 and psyc treatment for the mother.

;)

If I'd just had my 12th baby I'd need more than psych consult!

Specializes in Emergency room, med/surg, UR/CSR.

I had a woman bring her baby into the ER with a 104.4 degree rectal temp. When I asked her when the last time she gave her child anything she told me noon. It was 6pm now. I looked at the clock then looked at her and asked her why she hadn't given the child anything else because she could have dosed the child. Her reply was that she didn't want to mess up anything we would do to her child! I know I got short with her but I looked at her and told her that nothing she could do would mess up anything we would do and she needs to treat her child's fever.

I took her straight back and the child got tylenol and motrin and by the time they left the child's temp was normal! Imagine that! I was to the point where I didn't care if she complained about me; it was the end of a twelve hour shift, we had seen numerous kids with coughs, fevers, and vomiting so I was working on my last nerve and she just happened to step on it.

I was so irate that this seemingly intellegent woman would not treat her child's fever. How stupid! Her husband is on the local firedepartment too! I don't know why she didn't call one of the medics her husband works with to ask them what she should do before bringing her child to the ER. I hope her husband ranted at her at how stupid she looked in front of the ER staff.

Just had to add my two cents.

Pam

I didn't learn a thing about dosing tylenol or motrin in paramedic school...:) We were taught to keep a child with a fever cool, to start an IV (a large bore...they never let us do the small ones), and to have seizure meds ready. So...calling one of her husband's medic friends might not have been the best idea. :) I understand where a lot of people with no medical knowledge get their ideas about not treating things because they might "mess up" our treatment in the ER. I wish we were able to better educate our patients.

One of our peds docs sends home an "Owner's Manual" with new parents...details all kinds of things like tylenol, motrin, suppositories, proper dress, things to try before coming to the ER, etc...it's a pretty big booklet...very well written...we see very few of this doctor's patient's in the ER. I wish we could give it to everyone.

I often forget that normal people do not have the medical training that we do. Mechanics probably feel the same way we do sometimes! A lot pf the problem that I see is taht we are really not allowed to educate the public about things like giving tylenol and motrin unless they actually come in to see us. I would love to be able to tell people to give their kid some motrin and get his blanket sleeper off, but...we cannot give telephone advice...sigh.

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