The narc drawer...I'm so upset.

smileyperson · Nov 21, 2009

The best thing to do is take responsibility. Find out what you did wrong (didn't lock the cart, didn't check the book) and admit to it - preferably BEFORE anyone calls you into their office. Don't try to make excuses or accusations against coworkers, but be clear you didn't steal the medication. Crying and carrying on won't help you at all. The other thing is that drug addicts are master thieves, sneaks, and liars. They'll do whatever they have to do to get their drugs, and they don't care what happens to you either, so if you're in charge of narcotics, you need to be just as vigilant as they are sneaky. I don't have any idea what will happen to you, but what I've written here is good policy for all of life.

CrystalClear75, BSN, RN · Nov 21, 2009

Thank you. None of us check the book, we just go by what the other nurse who was on that shift says and I or the oncoming nurse counts the actual meds. For all I know she could be a drug addict telling me there were two more pills when there wasn't...and it's not standard procedure to check the actual meds against the DEA book that she just reads off from ya know? But it should be that way because it would be so easy to lie. So that's what it's boiling down to at this point or that I heard the wrong number and she forgot to sign them off. I really don't think anyone has actually stolen them from my cart because when I'm passing out meds not many people are around and that narc drawer is locked in and of itself anyway. So I don't know.

iluvdetroit · Nov 21, 2009

(((((hugs to you))))), first of all. I wish I could give you a pat on the back and tell you that it will all be okay. I have been a nurse for a long time, and there have been several times in my career where the narc count was off on the unit I was working on. Every time, someone has come forward, either me or one of the other nurses on my shift, who simply forgot to sign something out, and it all works out fine. Have the other nurses on that hall during that shift who would have access to the same narc drawer all been questioned to make sure that they didn't give any Percocet and forget to sign it out? Your post makes it sound like you were the only RN with access to that drawer, but that is normally not the case, so who else gave Percocet on that shift? Every place I have ever worked, there are a lot of patients on Percocet for post-op pain, so have them double check who all got Percocet on your shift. Also, I don't think this sounds like something you would lose your nursing license over. It happens. If it happened over and over and narcs were constantly disappearing on your shift, that would be one thing, but something like this...it happens. Please try to get some sleep. Things always seem worse when you are completely worn out and dead tired. I'll say a prayer for you. : )

CrystalClear75, BSN, RN · Nov 21, 2009

No not the only one with access to the cart but I guess you could say that I was responsible for that particular shift in which it happened on...like when the oncoming nurse came on the count was off by two. I don't know how it could have been off, you would have thought that I heard or counted right...a few other times I caught the nurse and said "no there is only 10" when she called off 12 for example and she'd say "oops" or something and sign it off. But it didn't happen this time, so I have NO idea. I don't want to get written up.

smileyperson · Nov 21, 2009

"None of us check the book" This is an excuse, don't use it. If nobody checks the books, then everyone will know nobody checks the books. If checking the book could have prevented the problem, take responsibility.

"For all I know she could be a drug addict" Don't say this to anyone when discussing this issue. Don't point the finger at other people.

"I really don't think anyone has actually stolen them from my cart" It's possible that it happened that way, and you should have locked the cart, so take responsibility.

I think you'll be OK in the long run. No reasonable person is going to give you problems over one incident. You just have to be extra vigilant from now on.

Be calm, take responsibility for what you did wrong, be proactive in offering corrective action, don't play the blame game, and tell the truth. People will respect you more if you do these things. :)

CrystalClear75, BSN, RN · Nov 21, 2009

I never gave any indication that I was blaming anybody was I? I was just coming up with what COULD have happened, that doesn't mean that I'm going to actually say I think somebody stole from my cart or play the blame game. I'm just trying to figure out what happened and get advice from those of you..especially about whether or not this calls for a write up on my part. And yes I left it unlocked but honestly the preceptor said "Don't worry about locking the cart these kids won't steal off you." So I took her advice but should not have done so. But I never said I was going to blame anybody, just thinking aloud about what could have happened.

About the book, yes no matter what you say, she could have called out more than there was, and it is daily standard procedure of how these meds are counted. It's not an excuse it's the way we do things. Thanks for the advice.

Midwest4me · Nov 21, 2009

Hugs to you from me too! It's a very frustrating situation, I know. In our hospital BOTH nurses, during count, look at the book AND at the narcs.

I remember a narc problem years ago at another facility where a friend and I worked. We relieved each other and therefore counted. One weekend we counted and I thought the cards looked odd--she'd punched out a # of them then taped them back in---count was off, had to call the supervisor--what a mess. It was AFTER she took her life a few months later that I learned she'd been diverting narcs, had problems with the Board of Nursing, ended up having her license suspended and, not knowing what else she would ever do career-wise, became so despondent that suicide was the only answer for her. How incredibly sad .... such a brilliant nurse!

military spouse · Nov 21, 2009

Thank you. None of us check the book, we just go by what the other nurse who was on that shift says and I or the oncoming nurse counts the actual meds. For all I know she could be a drug addict telling me there were two more pills when there wasn't...and it's not standard procedure to check the actual meds against the DEA book that she just reads off from ya know? But it should be that way because it would be so easy to lie. So that's what it's boiling down to at this point or that I heard the wrong number and she forgot to sign them off. I really don't think anyone has actually stolen them from my cart because when I'm passing out meds not many people are around and that narc drawer is locked in and of itself anyway. So I don't know.

That's the bad thing about count. I've often thought that if we had enough time, the oncoming nursing should stand there with the book AND the meds and the off-going nurse should watch. I like to see the actual written number and the actual number in the blister card. You might ask her if she gave the meds at 2000, like you think may have happened. Try to get some sleep.

HeyHeyitsMaay · Nov 21, 2009

I'm so sorry that you're going through this. ;/

Please, please please please I don't care if you upset every nurse you work with that has to count with you or not. ALWAYS physically look at the meds when you count. I can't imagine just accepting what someone else says when narc count is done. Check the amt. the MAR or DEA book says should be in the pill pack and then check the pill count before you agree to the number you're being told by the nurse going off shift. There is just waaaay too much room for error when you take someone at their word when it comes to narcs. I'm not saying to be untrusting, but mistakes happen. We work our butts off! And at the end of a shift, we're still humans, very tired ones sometimes. We can't take responsibility for something we don't know is correct, so the narc count needs to be physically looked at with your own eyes.

I'm such a passive person. I just started working a couple of months ago and the first thing I learned is that people will eat you up and spit you out if given the chance, at least at my place of employment. But in the end, when you sign your name, you're putting your license on the line. Ultimately yo'ure the only one responsible. Keep that in your head, and it might annoy others, but you have to protect yourself and your patients.

Good luck.

ChocoholicRN · Nov 21, 2009

We keep our narcs in the Pyxis, not a locked cart or cabinet, but we still count the same way you guys do. Usually there is one person counting and checking the expiration date and the other person entering the numbers. Any time a message comes up that the count is off, the second person (the one who was entering the numbers) counts them as well. That way you have 2 people witnessing and counting, thereby decreasing the chance of an error or having someone diverting the narcs elsewhere. While this may not be the policy at your facility, I don't see why there should be any problem if you were to say to the other nurse "hey why don't I count those too, just to double check and make sure our numbers match." We have all made mistakes when it comes to medication, I know I have. The best thing to do is to admit to your mistake right away or as soon as you realize it. I made a huge mistake one time where I was covering another nurse for her break and gave a patients pain medicine IV instead of PO, and we all know that it is not a 1:1 ration with narcs so this patient got much more than she should have. Needless to say, I notified the appropriate people right away, checked on the patient, and got written up. But I still have my license and have learned since then. Just keep your head up and if your ever unsure of a count or a medicine, double check or have another nurse check with you. You will be fine, just a small bump in the road.

caliotter3 · Nov 21, 2009

You say that you are not checking against the log at the same time. That is one mistake. I insist that the log be placed in such a way so that I can check it too. I have had other nurses get angry because I insist on this (among other things), but I figured out some of the ways nurses pass on discrepancies. Most of them involve slipping something past you because you don't take the time to check it yourself.