I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.
Get out the popcorn for this one.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.
The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.
There are always trust issues with well known liars and cheats. Trump and his associates have a long history of lying and cheating that predates his political life by decades.
I won't so easily or quickly dismiss the manifesto of some of the same people who thought up the plan to seperate children from family at the southern border during Trump's first failed term. The people who wrote this blueprint for Trump are influential in RNC politics across the country. It would be naive to think that the crazy people won't act out crazy ideas after we watched them act out craziness because of masks, vaccines and a lost election already. I mean, one of the authors of P2025 is currently in prison.
Of course Trump is going to be associated with the things that he has said or the policies he has mentioned. Trump is the unequivocal leader of the republican party. He has dictated the political agenda of the GOP legislators for 8 years now. All of a sudden we're all supposed to believe that these people went rogue and didn't include Trump in this brain storming, because the well known liar says so?
If Trump didn't care he wouldn't be trying to distance himself from P2025. That's simple logic. Trump is an obvious narcissist. That is not in question, it is reality.
When Trump lied about covid, that needed to be rejected.
When Trump lies about the 2020 election or the security of our elections in general, those lies should be rejected.
When Trump suggests that presidents should have absolute immunity, that should be rejected.
When Trump muses about terminating parts of the constitution which might limit his power, all patriots should reject that thinking.
There is quite a bit of our country and constitution that Trump doesn't care about if you actually listen to and watch what he does.
Abortion is healthcare. Limiting access to abortion is limiting access to healthcare.
Especially if you have a temp of 104 and have to wait to be helicoptered to another state!
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Crusades said:
Right...... because you don't have a habit of citing cherry picked info that supports what you say.
It's okay. Child mortality/ poverty has several factors and cannot be related to one determinant. So I understand why you do not want to provide evidence.
There is no study/evidence to support that child mortality/poverty is directly related to abortion laws.
The only conclusive result would be less poor kids and less child mortality because they were never born poor and didn't have a chance to become a mortality stat because they never lived.
No. Because you brought it up, it's your topic. Bring your facts and documentation to the discussion.
No, you don't understand.
Who said that "child mortality/poverty is directly related to abortion laws."? You asked a question and used that as an opportunity to create a strawman argument.
Your last paragraph is an example of tortured logic. Try again. It sounds like you might prefer to increase the incidence of infant suffering and death rather than allow abortion. You probably really don't want that but you can clarify what that last paragraph implies.
On his Truth Social platform this week, Trump suggested that Democrats are pushing to give noncitizen migrants the right to vote and urged Republicans to pass the legislation — the Safeguard American Voter Eligibility Act — or "go home and cry yourself to sleep.”
The fixation on noncitizen voting is part of a broader and long-term Trump campaign strategy of casting doubt on the validity of an election should he lose, and he has consistently pushed that narrative during his campaign rallies this year. Last month in Las Vegas, he told supporters, "The only way they can beat us is to cheat.” It also is part of a wider Republican campaign strategy, with GOP lawmakers across the country passing state legislation and putting noncitizen voting measures on state ballots for November.
Republican policy making based upon fear mongering and lies. How embarrassing.
Humans are just monkeys with keys who behave worst then most animals when it comes to children. We had a famous case in my town when mom's boyfriend put an infant in a dryer. The child lived but will suffer that trauma for the rest if her life. Incest is rather frequent in these families. Wake up to reality and consider the ethics involved here. Plenty if religions do not condemn abortion and make exceptions. I think Jesus likes them better.
And yet you think it is absurd that a woman would condider abortion in late pregnancy for anything other that risk to her life or health.....
And the poverty and mortality rates would be less if their mothers had abortions? Mothers who are poor should have abortions so the babies are not born into poverty and will probably die anyway?
Is there any evidence to link poverty and mortality rates to abortion access in these states? Sounds like a terrible false equivalency
If you are actually curious enough to research this you will find, maybe the first item, the social scientist Malcolm Gladwell who was the original scientist to study the inverse relationship between crime and abortion. And most of know that crime us linked to poverty. In the intervening past decades , his idea has been replicated in other studies. Only if you are interested in the facts.........
If you are actually curious enough to research this you will find, maybe the first item, the social scientist Malcolm Gladwell who was the original scientist to study the inverse relationship between crime and abortion. And most of know that crime us linked to poverty. In the intervening past decades , his idea has been replicated in other studies. Only if you are interested in the facts.........
Yes. It is logical to conclude that more abortions would lead to less crime as there would be less potential criminals born. Is this what you are saying?
Or are you saying that there is more crime because it's harder to get abortions?
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Crusades said:
And yet you think it is absurd that a woman would condider abortion in late pregnancy for anything other that risk to her life or health.....
I think it's absurd that you act like that's a common occurrence while carefully avoiding any data or factual discussion about these procedures. You are trying to engage in some crude propaganda about a medical procedure with actual health professionals. How embarrassing for you.
I think it's absurd that you act like that's a common occurrence while carefully avoiding any data or factual discussion about these procedures. You are trying to engage in some crude propaganda about a medical procedure with actual health professionals. How embarrassing for you.
I never said it was common. However the argument that it never would happen when the member in their own words said humans are monkeys who murder and harm their children all the time. It's ridiculous considering mothers murder their babies and children. Most do not and it is not common. However there is a law against it. LOL
So is it that unlikely that a late term abortion for other than reason that medical emergency would not happen?
Why don't you answer this.
If a woman wanted to terminate her pregnancy for anything other than a medical emergency, she should be able to do that? If her Dr and her decide ?
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Crusades said:
I never said it was common. However the argument that it never would happen when the member in their own words said humans are monkeys who murder and harm their children all the time. It's ridiculous considering mothers murder their babies and children. Most do not and it is not common. However there is a law against it. LOL
So is it that unlikely that a late term abortion for other than reason that medical emergency would not happen?
Why don't you answer this.
If a woman wanted to terminate her pregnancy for anything other than a medical emergency, she should be able to do that? If her Dr and her decide ?
You treat your concerns about the rare occurrence as if it is common.
Yes, we know there are laws against killing babies after they are born yet that didn't prohibit Trump from saying that is what democrats support.
I'm not answering your ridiculous hypothetical questions when you won't even answer basic questions about your logic or thinking. The procedures you fret about are rare and never performed on the whim of the mother. Every health professional knows this, or so I thought.
You treat your concerns about the rare occurrence as if it is common.
Yes, we know there are laws against killing babies after they are born yet that didn't prohibit Trump from saying that is what democrats support.
I'm not answering your ridiculous hypothetical questions when you won't even answer basic questions about your logic or thinking. The procedures you fret about are rare and never performed on the whim of the mother. Every health professional knows this, or so I thought.
What rare occurrence? An abortion in late pregnancy for other than medically indicated? I thought it never happens? Or wouldn't? And yet woman kill their children after they are born. Not common but it happens.
And my point was that it could not that it does. Please show me where I said this type of abortion happens frequently?
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Crusades said:
What rare occurrence? An abortion in late pregnancy for other than medically indicated? I thought it never happens? Or wouldn't? And yet woman kill their children after they are born. Not common but it happens.
And my point was that it could not that it does. Please show me where I said this type of abortion happens frequently?
And of course you won't answer LOL.
Another strawman argument.
The occurrence is rare but you talk about it as if it is common. Your concern is disproportionate. We have to guess why but you give us clues with the nature of your responses. I suspect you are just confused from listening to liars and propagandists. They don't care if you are confused and look silly in discussion forums, they care about motivating you to vote.
Late term" abortion typically refers to abortions obtained at or after 21 weeks, however it is not an accepted medical term, nor is there a consensus around to which gestational ages it refers. Members of the medical community have criticized the term "late-term" abortion, as it implies abortions are taking place after a pregnancy has reached "term" (37 weeks) or "late term" (>41 weeks) which is false. In fact, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) has written that "late-term abortion" has no medical meaning. As such, this brief discusses abortions occurring at ≥21 weeks gestation as abortions later in pregnancy, but it should be noted that 21 weeks is a largely arbitrary cutoff based on how the CDC collects data on abortions. Abortions at this stage in pregnancy are sometimes referred to as "later abortions" by the medical community as well
Did you know that one of the common reasons that women obtain abortions after 21 weeks is because they don't have affordable or easy access to the care? Did you know that there are more children killed by firearms very year than there are elective abortions after 24 weeks gestation?
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The CDC does not elaborate on the breakdown by gestational age for abortions occurring past 21 weeks, but it is likely that the vast majority occur soon after 21 weeks rather than much later in the pregnancy. While very limited contemporary data exists on this issue, a study from 1992 estimated 0.02% of all abortions occurred after 26 weeks gestation (320 to 600 cases per year)
Preliminary findings from a study on abortion provision since the Dobbs decision has found that patients living in states where abortion is banned or restricted have experienced increased delays in obtaining abortion care, in part due to arranging out-of-state travel to states where abortion is legal and limited appointment availability in abortion clinics in states where abortion is legal. Out-of-state travel for abortion services doubled in the first half of 2023 compared to the first half of 2020, likely driven by the overturning of Roe. Delays in accessing abortion services push people who want an abortion further along in their pregnancies, which could lead to an increase in the share of people who need abortions later in pregnancy.
Why haven't you read about or listened to any of the women who have suffered because of the abortion restrictions?
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Especially if you have a temp of 104 and have to wait to be helicoptered to another state!