Tempted to Tell the Truth in Exit Interview

Nurses Nurse Beth

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Dear Nurse Beth,

I have been working in my first nursing job for the past 5 months. Amid applying for nurse residencies I submitted an application to a place that I had seen many job listings for. I immediately heard back, interviewed and was offered the job. I decided to accept the position because it was a day shift position, which I knew I wouldn't get in any hospital residency.

There have been red flags about the facility and leadership throughout my tenure, mostly circling my nurse manager. She had already over-seen 100% staff turnover (minus one holdout employee) when I was hired. When I gave notice, I was 1 of 4 RNs leaving (a second batch of turnover), out of a staff of 7. My question is- is it right to detail the way my manager has acted in my exit interview? I think she is having a tough time in her life, but I also feel she needs help with her professionalism and leadership skills. She once said to me, "I wouldn't have hired you if I knew you didn't drink [alcohol]" and talks frequently about her alcohol consumption outside of work. She said the other day something akin to "I go for the third glass of wine, I've just accepted I'm addicted." This sort of talk feels too familiar to take place between manager and employee and gives me cause for concern.

She can be a sweet lady, but seems unaware of how unprofessional her behavior is. I am torn because I am grateful she gave me my first job and she's not a villain. But, aside from being unprofessional she has attempted to manipulate me repeatedly and has treated me cruelly. Basically, I don't want to do something that makes her lose her job, but I also feel I should give some feedback to HR.

Thoughts?


Dear Exiting,

This is a good question because what to say, or how much to say, in an exit interview is important. Saying the wrong thing can harm your career. You want to receive a favorable or at least a non-hurtful reference. Nursing is a small world, and it's entirely possible that the person in your exit interview can be working with you in another organization down the line.

It's tempting to think that of course, the organization wants your candid feedback so they can improve based on your first-hand experience. You really, really want to tell them what you think as you jump off the sinking ship. While not always the case, your insights are unfortunately unlikely to truly change the corporate culture.

HR's point of view

The HR person conducting the interview may just be filling out forms. Often they are just checking a box for data tracking.

Employee left because:

  • They're pregnant
  • They relocated
  • Family illness
  • Offered more money elsewhere
  • Personality problem

Opinions about individuals are taken with skepticism. I would say that the organization is already aware that they have a problem, with the high turnover. And the problem may well be bigger than the individual nurse manager. Is it possible that the nurse manager reflects the organization? Meaning a troubled organization with red flags, as you say, is not likely to hire and retain top-level nursing managers. Does the organization provide leadership training and development? It doesn't sound like it.By the same token, it's unlikely that this organization is thoughtfully using guided exit interviews.

Your manager is less than professional, but some rookie managers try to gain popularity in any way they can. Remarks about drinking make you uncomfortable, as in TMI. You don't give any examples of your manager being cruel or manipulating you, but the turnover rate speaks for itself.

A diatribe is never a good idea. Never vent. Do not unload. You do not want to leave the impression that you're bitter or angry. For one thing, it gives reason for the receiver to discount all of your feedback. In your case, that means processing your emotions ahead of time. Write down your frustrations; talk to a safe person; but approach your exit interview calmly.

Unfortunately, your genuine desire to help your manager by sharing her short fallings will most likely not be effective and could backfire.Speak generally to leaving for a more professional work environment and transformational leadership without personal details.

Best wishes,

Nurse Beth

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If she has confessed it, she owns it. And the law says if you have knowledge and fail to report it, as the safety of the public hangs in the balance, then you are culpable.

Citation please? As long as she does not come to work under the influence what she does legally on her own time is none of anybody's business. I have no legal responsibility to notify anyone that one of my coworkers had too much to drink on the weekend. I can legally get ripped every single weekend which would definitely indicate a problem but as long as I am sober at work there is nothing to report.

ETA: I do not, in fact, get ripped every weekend in case anybody is wondering.

All of this and also 'decline offers for exit interviews', I love it. Tell it, Wuzzie!

Amen caliotter, 'before you resigned'!

Yes, to fewer witch hunts, Oldmanhubbard!

Yes, way out of control! You're smart to leave before you get burned.

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Maybe it was a bunch of nasty gossip about a higher up that they didn't know to be true but had a negative effect on the work environment regardless because it was nasty and also involved coworkers, maybe. You know like a real General Hospital soap opera. Who really knows? Life can be so shockingly strange.[ATTACH=CONFIG]26054[/ATTACH]

Somebody is feisty today!

If we must start reporting people to the BON who ever get "drunk" in their off-time, I think there soon will be a whole bunch more BON type jobs, to keep up with the potentially enormous demand!

Specializes in Critical Care.
Not a good idea to turn someone in to the board after a couple of vague comments, if they haven't been impaired at work.e need fewer witch hunts in nursing, not more.

I agree not to speculate whether the supervisor has a drinking problem, although to say she wouldn't hire the OP if not a drinker that is quite a shocking and amazing comment. I wonder if this was a young supervisor who liked to befriend and hang out with her staff outside of work. I've worked with a couple supervisors like this, thought it was unprofessional but minded my own business. They were appropriate at work and that was the most important thing.

I wouldn't want to risk someone's job, reputation and get them in trouble with the board over a couple questionable statements. Give the person the benefit of the doubt and move on.

If the supervisor really has a problem at least she is not at the bedside passing meds and treating patients!

Specializes in Critical Care.
If she has confessed it, she owns it. And the law says if you have knowledge and fail to report it, as the safety of the public hangs in the balance, then you are culpable.

There is nothing to report. She has done nothing wrong. This isn't 1984 and we aren't living in a police state. To say something to HR or the BON would be slander, wrong and political suicide. Just don't do it!

And where does this safety of the public come in? She didn't say she gets drunk and drives and she isn't in direct patient care, but even if she was she has every right to have a few drinks to unwind when she comes home from work!

Specializes in PACU, ED.

When there is something you don't like about a job the adult thing is to tell your supervisor. They may not change things but they have no motivation to change if they don't know staff is unhappy.

Once you've reached your limit and decide to leave is not the time to list complaints. Since you are leaving there is little motivation for HR to do anything. They might think you are just more sensitive than the average RN.

In no uncertain terms should you say anything negative. It will definitely come back and get you. Keep it short, sweet, positive and thank them for the job as others have suggested in this post. The only item I would add is that the alcohol comment is a great concern - what if she is drinking at work, caring for a patient? Now we're talking about a whole different level than her simply making a comment to you. That being said, IF your company has a confidential whistle blower hotline, or better yet a comment box where you can drop in a confidential note about this, I would do so. By regulatory law, any such complaint has to be documented and investigated. In addition, when the regulators come in and audit the facility, this is one of the first items they ask for - a whistle blower log. However, and I repeat again, do NOT leave or sign your name.

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