I see in the news that anti-choice organizations are planning demonstrations today at Planned Parenthood facilities around the US to support GOP plans to defund PP.
Of course, my first thought was to grab a sign (and my, ummm, "kittyhat"!) and head for my local facility to show my support for PP, but I also see in the news that PP offices are asking that supporters not show up at the facilities to counter-protest (because they don't want the crowds of protesters any larger or more chaotic than necessary as women are trying to get in and out for services).
Some communities are planning counter-demonstrations in other venues, but I haven't been able to find any information about any events planned in my city.
So, I've decided to set aside the time planned for the anti-choice demonstration in my city today to contact all my elected representatives, from the White House down to my state legislators, and Tom Price at DHHS, to remind them that I support PP and am strongly opposed to any efforts to restrict women's reproductive rights or Planned Parenthood's access to public healthcare dollars as a legitimate healthcare provider.
I hope PP supporters here will consider doing the same, and spread the word to people you know. I hope people all over the country will have the same thought. Wouldn't it be great if, while comparatively small groups of protesters are standing out in the cold and snow with their signs, huge numbers of Americans were flooding mail boxes and switchboards around the country with messages of support for PP, women's health, and reproductive rights?
There are many negative and evil things in th Bible but they are there to teach us what NOT to do, how NOT to act, not because they are ok with God or that he sanctions them.
Not being a Christian, I don't much care what's in the Bible. (Neither do most Christians, as far as I can see ... y'all seem to cherry-pick the parts you want to believe.) That's why I object mightily to being forced to abide by your personal religious convictions. Freedom of religion means that you get to live by whatever religious or moral code makes sense to you, not that you get to force your religion down my throat. If you believe abortion is a sin, don't have one. Leave those of us who believe differently alone. See? Easy peasy.
There are many negative and evil things in th Bible but they are there to teach us what NOT to do, how NOT to act, not because they are ok with God or that he sanctions them.
Really? For ions, White people justified slavery because they said it was sanctioned by the Bible.
Really? For ions, White people justified slavery because they said it was sanctioned by the Bible.
Our Attorney General just recently quoted the Bible to defend the government kidnapping children from their families and claimed the Bible said the rest of us shouldn't object or demonstrate against it. People use the Bible to defend or condemn all kinds of crazy stuff, whatever suits their particular agenda.
Our Attorney General just recently quoted the Bible to defend the government kidnapping children from their families and claimed the Bible said the rest of us shouldn't object or demonstrate against it. People use the Bible to defend or condemn all kinds of crazy stuff, whatever suits their particular agenda.
See what I mean? Cherry-picking at it's finest. Guess he didn't get to the part that exhorts Christians to love others as you love yourself, for the love of God.
airplanes and chemical fertilizer did not exist in that time. abortion did, in fact directions for inducing one are given in the old testament.
The passage in the Bible that you are referring to has nothing to do with abortion. There is no evidence that this woman is even pregnant. She is brought before the priest because the husband suspects adultery but there are no witnesses to prove it, so it's up to God to judge. The passage is saying that if the woman is guilty of adultery then she will be rendered barren by God, but if she is not guilty she will be able to conceive children with her husband.
As for the rest of the comments resulting from my previous response, I will not debate. You all will believe what you will and are not interested in truth but only in winning an argument in order to attempt to prop up your unbelief. I've seen it happen too many times in other threads, but winning an argument doesn't make it truth.
"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." Matthew 7:6 KJV
The passage in the Bible that you are referring to has nothing to do with abortion. There is no evidence that this woman is even pregnant. She is brought before the priest because the husband suspects adultery but there are no witnesses to prove it, so it's up to God to judge. The passage is saying that if the woman is guilty of adultery then she will be rendered barren by God, but if she is not guilty she will be able to conceive children with her husband.
As for the rest of the comments resulting from my previous response, I will not debate. You all will believe what you will and are not interested in truth but only in winning an argument in order to attempt to prop up your unbelief. I've seen it happen too many times in other threads, but winning an argument doesn't make it truth.
"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." Matthew 7:6 KJV
Truth is completely subjective.
What makes you think you have the corner market on truth?
The passage in the Bible that you are referring to has nothing to do with abortion. There is no evidence that this woman is even pregnant. She is brought before the priest because the husband suspects adultery but there are no witnesses to prove it, so it's up to God to judge. The passage is saying that if the woman is guilty of adultery then she will be rendered barren by God, but if she is not guilty she will be able to conceive children with her husband.
As for the rest of the comments resulting from my previous response, I will not debate. You all will believe what you will and are not interested in truth but only in winning an argument in order to attempt to prop up your unbelief. I've seen it happen too many times in other threads, but winning an argument doesn't make it truth.
"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." Matthew 7:6 KJV
Who said anything about unbelief? My beliefs are my own, as yours belong to you. My beliefs are not subject to discussion or review by you. The difference between us is that I do not need to make the world conform to my beliefs in order to validate them. Your attitude speaks more to the shallowness and fragility of your own faith than anything else, otherwise why would you need to control my life in order to support it?
Who said anything about unbelief? My beliefs are my own, as yours belong to you. My beliefs are not subject to discussion or review by you. The difference between us is that I do not need to make the world conform to my beliefs in order to validate them. Your attitude speaks more to the shallowness and fragility of your own faith than anything else, otherwise why would you need to control my life in order to support it?
I don't know where you get that I'm trying to make you or anyone conform to my beliefs. My job as a born-again Christian (I specify that because most people who claim the title of "Christian" have no idea of it's true meaning, and therefore misapply the word) is to speak and stand for the truth as written in God's word. If anyone doesn't believe what God has said it's no skin off my nose. But know for a surety that the day is coming when we ALL will have to give an account to God for what we have done with His word.
I don't know where you get that I'm trying to make you or anyone conform to my beliefs. My job as a born-again Christian (I specify that because most people who claim the title of "Christian" have no idea of it's true meaning, and therefore misapply the word) is to speak and stand for the truth as written in God's word. If anyone doesn't believe what God has said it's no skin off my nose. But know for a surety that the day is coming when we ALL will have to give an account to God for what we have done with His word.
As I've already pointed out, you don't know squat about what I believe.
If you are active in the militant forced pregnancy movement, you will have to account to your god for the damage done to unwanted children and the women forced to bear them against their will. Then there's the lies told to women by CPCs, the murders of abortion providers, and the restriction of reproductive health care, including abortions, to women rich enough to buy access regardless of the legal status of a given procedure.
I don't know where you get that I'm trying to make you or anyone conform to my beliefs. My job as a born-again Christian (I specify that because most people who claim the title of "Christian" have no idea of it's true meaning, and therefore misapply the word) is to speak and stand for the truth as written in God's word. If anyone doesn't believe what God has said it's no skin off my nose. But know for a surety that the day is coming when we ALL will have to give an account to God for what we have done with His word.
As I've already pointed out, you don't know squat about what I believe.
If you are active in the militant forced pregnancy movement, you will have to account to your god for the damage done to unwanted children and the women forced to bear them against their will. Then there's the lies told to women by CPCs, the murders of abortion providers, and the restriction of reproductive health care, including abortions, to women rich enough to buy access regardless of the legal status of a given procedure.
Please re-read what I wrote. After the first sentence it was a statement about people in general. I said nothing about your beliefs in particular, but used words like "if" and "anyone."
What makes you think you have the corner market on truth?
First tell me what you mean by truth being completely subjective. Surely you can't mean That all truth is subjective because that would mean that nothing is true.
heron, ASN, RN
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Not being a Christian, I don't much care what's in the Bible. (Neither do most Christians, as far as I can see ... y'all seem to cherry-pick the parts you want to believe.) That's why I object mightily to being forced to abide by your personal religious convictions. Freedom of religion means that you get to live by whatever religious or moral code makes sense to you, not that you get to force your religion down my throat. If you believe abortion is a sin, don't have one. Leave those of us who believe differently alone. See? Easy peasy.