Student about to get into trouble and in need of advice (real long...sorry!)

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First I want to thank you guys who post here. I have been reading and it's a wonderful web site for students and new nurses. So many questions answered and mysteries solved!

Second I need to ask if anyone has been in a similar situation as I find myself in now and what you did about it.

I have a leadership class and the professor is awful. She gave us no guidance or support with the clinical requirement - on our own, we had 2 days filled with classes to find a preceptor we could follow around for a total of 30 hours in 5 weeks on top of a full summer semester credit load. She wouldn't even give us the list of outside facilities we have a contract with - she read it to us in class so fast no one had time to write them down. We have to keep and submit journals and do endless ridiculous written assignments with final projects at the end.

I made the mistake of winding up with a preceptor in an outside facility who I don't know. It was the specialty I am interested in and there aren't many like it in my area.Everything was fine except that she is a head nurse and busy and seems sometimes to not want me around but her staff all seem to like me and I help them out a lot with tasks they don't want to do and I have been having a positive time.

I had to give the preceptor an evaluation for me and she gave it back and I looked at it when I left and she gave me 1 - on absolutely everything. - The grading is 1 through 5 points with 1 being the worst.

She has never let me help her - I took the initiative to write a note (not meant to be a nurses note) because after she left one day something occurred with cousins fighting over a client and no one was at the nurses station but me. I had no authority to get involved but I did listen and defuse the situation and gave my name and told them why I was there and told them I would inform staff. I got a nasty critical attitude from the nurse manager about my note the next week but no real feedback.

Anyway - when I told the perceptor on Friday I would be back her face fell and rolling her eyes and looking someone who was visiting her as if there was a big secret she said, "Are you learning anything here?!" She never asked me to do anything or gave me any direction on what I should be doing there - never gave me an indication I wasn't doing well in this clinical. I did feed difficult clients and spent time with them and talked to them and walked with them and the clients hug me and kiss me - so I can't be all that terrible.

I wondered she thinks I am planning to pursue a job there after graduation. I am not but they she asked. The director of nursing there asked me when I graduate and I am wondering if my preceptor is jealous and spiteful - I can't tell. (Her staff and the facility love her and she is one of the best they have there).

I want to ask you all...should I...Go back and speak to this woman? I really REALLY do not want to cause she is closed and stubborn (and I don't trust her) and I have already put up with too much.

Should I go to the student counseling office at school? They'll give me some standard counseling but they can't and won't get involved. My professor for this course would be more than happy to blame this on me and fail me - she is a mean person.

I am tempted to fake the evaluation form and hand in a forged signature copy and that thought scares me - why should I be dishonest and risk being thrown out of school and ruining everything when I feel the course and the people I should be looking up to failed, not me? I am graduating at the end of the summer with a BSN and this is really upsetting. Any feedback is very much appreciated. And Thanks Nurses! And best wishes to all of you who are suffering with professors and preceptors from Hell.

Specializes in NICU.
Discipline for wrongdoing is a serious matter

So is cheating and forgery.

I know that this won't go over big, but I've been a manager for many years and know quite a lot about how this written evaluation process works. I would have made sure that I had made a blank copy of this evaluation. I'd "fix up" the ratings (the 1's through 5's, I assuming) on this form if my grade was depending on it, especially if there was no evidence provided to back up these low ratings. When someone takes the time to give someone bad scores then they also need to take the time to give them some extensive explanations as to why. If this wasn't done then there is something sadly lacking in the person's judgment. Did she handwrite explanations and examples to explain the scores she gave? Scores of "1" demand that. That is only fair. If not, then as I said above, I would have no problem doctoring this thing myself. It is unlikely that anyone is going to follow up on it and contact her. I've never heard of that happening. And if they did, it doesn't sound like she would care enough to do anything about it anyway as long as you are out of her hair--just deny, demand she produce a copy to prove what she's telling them, then is the time to reveal what a difficult and nasty person she was to deal with and claim she's the one lying. He said/she said situations are Mexican stand-offs and have no resolution.

Am I reading this wrong, or did you just advise a nursing student to cheat on her eval form? I've read a lot of your posts and I have been impressed...But this is a disappointment to me, that you would advise someone to cheat. That's a huge disservice to her and the future clients and/or patients she may have. The preceptor gave her low scores for a reason and she should address the reasons it happened, not just cheat on the form and learn nothing new....

Specializes in med/surg, telemetry, IV therapy, mgmt.
Am I reading this right?? Are you actually supporting the idea of turning in a forged evaluation??

Yes. But, in my defense, I did make other suggestions and did put a caveat on this.

hey hardworking woman~

I do feel for you, I am sorry that your preceptor was such a *****....I do hope that you spoke to someone higher up on the chain of command...and if so, I would like to know what happens....I do hope your preceptor or the other nurses that actually took the time to teach and precept and explain things are able to give you a better evaluation of your true skills--positive nursing care. Please keep us posted on what happens. I do wish everything works out in your favor.

Take care.

Specializes in ob/gyn med /surg.

please don't cheat on your evaluation form. you must honest and forthright in all your dealings. if you cheat and the school or the BON finds out , you will never get in another nursing school or recieve a license. you will be hung out to dry. you must be honest as a nurse ...

i am sure the school will call your preceptor and check . they may have spoken to your precpetor on and off during this time , they know exactly what is going on.

please , don't cheat. and keep me posted on how school is going for you.

you know the difference between right and wrong-do it-

we nurses may not take a hippocratic oath but our duty is to do right and care for others- you will only be hurting yourself ( and hardening your heart)

this has been a sad and eye opening thread for me

Yes. But, in my defense, I did make other suggestions and did put a caveat on this.

an eye for an eye?...it comes down to what is right and wrong- life is too short...

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I am tempted to fake the evaluation form and hand in a forged signature copy and that thought scares me - why should I be dishonest and risk being thrown out of school and ruining everything when I feel the course and the people I should be looking up to failed, not me? I am graduating at the end of the summer with a BSN and this is really upsetting. Any feedback is very much appreciated. And Thanks Nurses! And best wishes to all of you who are suffering with professors and preceptors from Hell.

Let me untempt you (and I fully understand that you are probably saying this out of anger and probably not really serious).

There was a student that our professor told us about that did that about years ago. Not only was she kicked out of the nursing program, but they put it on her school transcript and she was kicked out of the STATE community college system...that means she can never attend another community college in our state.

Because it was nursing related, they also had a to inform the BON...her name is now "blacklisted" with the state and she can never be a nurse. She has been forever barred from taking the NCLEX.

THAT is how serious that is.

Just know this to make you feel better. Nursing school is not designed to make you a 100% functioning nurse. It is designed to make you MINIMALLY competent to pass the NCLEX and to get a job to where you would at least know enough to check for things and not kill someone.

The real learning starts when you get that first job and go through an orientation.

So don't sweat it.

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