Stop Foreign Nurses

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Foreign Nurses coming to work in our Health Care facilities are the most serious threat to our professional security. They threaten our earning potential as well as are pushing us out of the Long Term Care environment. Kindred Healthcare is one of the biggest offenders. What are your views on this most serious matter now facing our profession.

Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical.
We need a powerful National labor Union of RN/LPN's and then we will as a politically powerful group determine the policy's of healthcare through one national voice.

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The OP just sounds racist.

May be OP is "patriotic"... Shutting one out saying racist is not the solution to the problem...

"The problem is not foreign nurses"...the problem is with people like you who thinks trying to find a solution to the problem is racism...

Foreign nurses are here because hospitals want them...Hospital wants them to keep wages low and in turn have millions of dollars in profits....Of course Hospitals care "money" than patient and short staff again to save money...again foreign nurses are trapped in working these unsafe conditions.

If you call US nurses who are against the hospitals economics and business tactics to soar profits by mass recruting foreign nurses...then you should not be a nurse. Nursing is not about money or foreign affairs, migration, immigration etc etc...Nursing is caring and these US nurses care enough about their patient to demand to work in safe environment, safe nurse patient ratio. It is not racism, it is patriotism and caring.

To those foreign nurses who want to make their life better coming to work in US, I have nothing against you....I hope you do stand with American Nurses demanding the same work place safety.

I am against the policy makers who think mass recruiting from foreign countries is a solution. I am against Hospitals who damns patients and looks for more money. And last but not least, I am against those people who think limiting foreign nurses to improve US healthcare system is RACISM....that is plain lack of critical thinking.

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RN1989...you hit the nail right!!!

For all those people who think raising the standard of US nursing situation by limiting mass recruitment of foreign nurses is RACIST then this is for you. Hope you read it before calling US RACIST!!!!

Filipinas desperation to come here...they cheat and are diploma mills indeed

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/21/world/asia/21nurses.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070430235927AAPe2BI

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/05/24/news/manila.php

https://allnurses.com/forums/f195/philippines-oversupply-nurses-301887-3.html

Thank God we are starting to flush out the intelligent and patriotic nurses who love their countrymen/women in this beleagered nursing profession. Accolades...

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Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical.

...To those foreign nurses who want to make their life better coming to work in US, I have nothing against you....I hope you do stand with American Nurses demanding the same work place safety. ...

Many have and continue to do so.

WE NURSES together achieved the first safe staffing by acuity of which numerical ratios are the maximum number of patients that may be assigned.

My husbands life was saved by a foreign educated nurse.

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Thank God we are starting to flush out the intelligent and patriotic nurses who love their countrymen/women in this beleagered nursing profession. Accolades...

Our country is a place where one person can make a difference. Talk this anti-American issue up with your compatriots. Write to your elected officials. Get involved and this will spread throughout our profession until the noise if so loud that we will be heard...

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Specializes in Spinal Cord injuries, Emergency+EMS.
This is just gonna start a nasty discussion. Foreign nurses have to get certified to work here. I don't see the big deal. The foreign nurses I have worked with picked up many shifts that would have not been filled leaving the unit short.

The problem with the nursing shortage is NOT foreign nurses, its the lack of nursing educators and nurses that have left the bedside. And they are certainly not "taking over" and "pushing" anyone from their job.

if you look at the situation in the UK where none specialised Nurses are now no longer on the list for work permits it's a three fold issue

1. more Nursing pre-reg plaes

2. better retention pre-reg in many HEIs

3. wider labour pool following EU accession where some accession state Nurses have EU directive compliant pre-reg training ...

part of the 'problem' in the Uk with a lack of jobs for newly qualified nurses is the fact overseas nurses were employed on permanent contracts so if they stay with the same trust their work permit remains valid in effect for life...

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Many have and continue to do so.

WE NURSES together achieved the first safe staffing by acuity of which numerical ratios are the maximum number of patients that may be assigned.

My husbands life was saved by a foreign educated nurse.

Wonderful so would an American nurse.

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Specializes in Spinal Cord injuries, Emergency+EMS.
Protecting our profession? Our profession is practiced in other countires as well. If it is "nothing personal", why make your username "Stop foreign nurses" and why are you blaming the foreign nurses for "taking over" LTC? It certainly sounds personal. If you want to blame someone or some group, why not blame the administration, not the foreign nurses. :banghead:

or blame US nurses for s not sticking together and the US for not having a decent union system ...

in the UK talking to three or four unions (RCN, unison, amicus, RCM etc...) covers the majority of Nurses , midwives and nursing / midwifery support workers in the country ...

despite the numbers of foreign nursesw the Uk has imported termsand conditions in the NHS have remained the same or improved and private secotr employershave to 'keep up ' in the overall package stakes...

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if you look at the situation in the UK where none specialised Nurses are now no longer on the list for work permits it's a three fold issue

1. more Nursing pre-reg plaes

2. better retention pre-reg in many HEIs

3. wider labour pool following EU accession where some accession state Nurses have EU directive compliant pre-reg training ...

part of the 'problem' in the Uk with a lack of jobs for newly qualified nurses is the fact overseas nurses were employed on permanent contracts so if they stay with the same trust their work permit remains valid in effect for life...

When I went to visit my family in Southampton and Winchester, I was shocked at the number of Foreign Medical people in Britain. It was even worse in the Irish Republic on another family visit. You Brits need to preserve your medical profession as well. Your people are also your greatest National Resource. Your English language is spoken in all First World countries.

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Specializes in Spinal Cord injuries, Emergency+EMS.
When I went to visit my family in Southampton and Winchester, I was shocked at the number of Foreign Medical people in Britain. It was even worse in the Irish Republic on another family visit. You Brits need to preserve your medical profession as well. Your people are also your greatest National Resource. Your English language is spoken in all First World countries.

part of what makes the NHS so good is the diversity of backgrounds of staff... part of managing the import of of foreign staff is good national rules on Terms and Conditions of Service.

the Uk won't be importing as many people from overseas thanks to serious expnasion in all areas of health professional education and the fact that there is the wider pool labour within the EU now...

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part of what makes the NHS so good is the diversity of backgrounds of staff... part of managing the import of of foreign staff is good national rules on Terms and Conditions of Service.

the Uk won't be importing as many people from overseas thanks to serious expnasion in all areas of health professional education and the fact that there is the wider pool labour within the EU now...

The EU will have the best since Europe's educational system is far better than the watered down version we American's have to accommodate everyone but ourselves.

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To get some correct information out there first, before anything else explodes around here:

1. There are not unlimited visas for nurses, the green card is under the retrogression since October, 2006 and continues to be under that.

2. H1-B visas are limited to 65,000 per year and they are awarded by a lottery system. And there is not an unlimited supply of them to go around. And they were designed for specialists, so they are also being investigated by the US government at this time.

3. You will see that most of the foreign nurses that are practicing in the US now hold the actual green card and not the H1-B visa as it claimed here in the opening post. And there are very strict requirements to be able to come here and work, one does not just graduate and then get on a plane the next day any longer. It is impossible to adjust status from a tourist visa to be able to remain and work here.

4. Patients need to be taken care of by someone, preference will go to the American first and always has. And you do not see many H1-B visas in nursing any longer, and have not seen them for more than 4 years, only in special circumstances. But to say that is all that a company is using is just not true and unless you have something to back it up with and not just hearsay, then it is a useless statement that is being made. And I still have not seen it proven by anyone here.

5. If one does not like working with foreign trained nurses, then go to another facility. One company alone is not the US, nor typical of it.

6. Look at training programs that are actually going on now, MI has had significant lay-offs in the automotive industry and they are now providing college training for two years to pay for schooling for a resident to become a nurse since they were using so many nurses from Canada on TN Visas and decided to put money to where it could be used and make a difference.

6. Yes, there have been issues with a couple of countries and their nursing mills, however, they have been investigated and if the nurse does not have the skills when they get here, their contract gets cancelled and they get sent back home in many cases. And transcripts are being investigated as well. The federal government here is very aware of what is going on all over the world as we are here as well. There is still a limit as to the number of visas that are issued per year and the US has never had an open door policy for any profession, never has and never will. Sure there are areas, where you may find more foreign nurses, but that is their choice to make as to where they wish to work and live if they are given the chance to come to the US. And it is a chance that they will get here, it is no longer a given that automatically, you apply and are granted a visa.

7. This country is made up of immigrants, that is how it started and it will continue, but there is no open door policy as one would think by some of the posts here. We have patients from every country in the world as well.

8. And then, what about the US citizen that wishes to work in another country in the world? They should not be permitted to do that since some think that no one else should be able to go and learn new things?

9. If statements are going to be made about such and such company using only H1-B holders, please provide something to back it up, this is definitely not the case at all. There is not an unlimited supply of any visa.

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