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Foreign Nurses coming to work in our Health Care facilities are the most serious threat to our professional security. They threaten our earning potential as well as are pushing us out of the Long Term Care environment. Kindred Healthcare is one of the biggest offenders. What are your views on this most serious matter now facing our profession.

To get some correct information out there first, before anything else explodes around here:

1. There are not unlimited visas for nurses, the green card is under the retrogression since October, 2006 and continues to be under that.

2. H1-B visas are limited to 65,000 per year and they are awarded by a lottery system. And there is not an unlimited supply of them to go around. And they were designed for specialists, so they are also being investigated by the US government at this time.

3. You will see that most of the foreign nurses that are practicing in the US now hold the actual green card and not the H1-B visa as it claimed here in the opening post. And there are very strict requirements to be able to come here and work, one does not just graduate and then get on a plane the next day any longer. It is impossible to adjust status from a tourist visa to be able to remain and work here.

4. Patients need to be taken care of by someone, preference will go to the American first and always has. And you do not see many H1-B visas in nursing any longer, and have not seen them for more than 4 years, only in special circumstances. But to say that is all that a company is using is just not true and unless you have something to back it up with and not just hearsay, then it is a useless statement that is being made. And I still have not seen it proven by anyone here.

5. If one does not like working with foreign trained nurses, then go to another facility. One company alone is not the US, nor typical of it.

6. Look at training programs that are actually going on now, MI has had significant lay-offs in the automotive industry and they are now providing college training for two years to pay for schooling for a resident to become a nurse since they were using so many nurses from Canada on TN Visas and decided to put money to where it could be used and make a difference.

6. Yes, there have been issues with a couple of countries and their nursing mills, however, they have been investigated and if the nurse does not have the skills when they get here, their contract gets cancelled and they get sent back home in many cases. And transcripts are being investigated as well. The federal government here is very aware of what is going on all over the world as we are here as well. There is still a limit as to the number of visas that are issued per year and the US has never had an open door policy for any profession, never has and never will. Sure there are areas, where you may find more foreign nurses, but that is their choice to make as to where they wish to work and live if they are given the chance to come to the US. And it is a chance that they will get here, it is no longer a given that automatically, you apply and are granted a visa.

7. This country is made up of immigrants, that is how it started and it will continue, but there is no open door policy as one would think by some of the posts here. We have patients from every country in the world as well.

8. And then, what about the US citizen that wishes to work in another country in the world? They should not be permitted to do that since some think that no one else should be able to go and learn new things?

9. If statements are going to be made about such and such company using only H1-B holders, please provide something to back it up, this is definitely not the case at all. There is not an unlimited supply of any visa.

Thanks for the information. We would also be interested where your facts come from exactly... Provide government hyperlinks to reputable sources, otherwise it is no more true than anything else. None of the information you provide is substantiated either. Thanks for your imput though. I will research your points to prove/disprove it to myself.

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You are the one that came here and made statements specific to one company and have not backed it up with any type of proof. And the fact that you stated that they keep bringing nurses over on the H1-B visa means that you are not even aware of what is going on now in nursing in terms of visas. The H1-B visa is severely restricted and is basically not even used for nurses any longer, not since the green card was fast-tracked over four years ago.

Please provide something to back up what you are stating. It has been asked for and you have not done so. When you make allegations as you have done, you need to back up what you are stating.

And as far as what I have posted, just check out the other forums that we have here on this site, it is well documented there.

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You are the one that came here and made statements specific to one company and have not backed it up with any type of proof. And the fact that you stated that they keep bringing nurses over on the H1-B visa means that you are not even aware of what is going on now in nursing in terms of visas. The H1-B visa is severely restricted and is basically not even used for nurses any longer, not since the green card was fast-tracked over four years ago.

Please provide something to back up what you are stating. It has been asked for and you have not done so. When you make allegations as you have done, you need to back up what you are stating.

And as far as what I have posted, just check out the other forums that we have here on this site, it is well documented there.

I meant H1-C visa.

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So a Canadian working in Detroit is also a foreign nurse, are you considering them as well in this statement that you have made which is totally absurd to begin with?

Or what about nurses from the UK or Australia or even France? Are they are on your hit list as well, or only nurses from a certain country?

This is not the place to even present things like this, and you have not had the decency to provide back-up for the statements that you have made about a specific company, and that is not how things are done around here.

You have some type of agenda, and it is not something that most of us like. A nurse is a nurse, and it does not matter where they trained, or where they are from. It seems that you have issues with a job that you had or that you want, and nothing more than that, since you are not able to back up anything that you have stated.

This will be the last time that I am going to ask for it and it is something that you need to be able to do before you make statements as you did about someone or something, or even a company. That is how things are done in the US, not your way.

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H1-C visa is quite different from the H1-B, but that is something that you based your entire premise on to begin with. And there is something else that you need to be aware of, which apparently you are not:

The H1-C visa is only valid for 14 facilities out of the entire US, it is not found all over the place and a facility can only get that designation if they have proven that they were unable to hire American RNs as well, it is not easy to get by any means at all.

You came here making a statement about a company and could not even get the type of visa correct as a start. And the H1-C only has 500 visas for the entire country, perhaps something else that you are not aware of, and that is not per year, but total that are out there. So they are not bringing in nurses in an unlimited supply either.

You still have not backed up what you were stating all along, and this is something that you need to do, not me or anyone else. As you were the one that made it.

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So a Canadian working in Detroit is also a foreign nurse, are you considering them as well in this statement that you have made which is totally absurd to begin with?

Or what about nurses from the UK or Australia or even France? Are they are on your hit list as well, or only nurses from a certain country?

This is not the place to even present things like this, and you have not had the decency to provide back-up for the statements that you have made about a specific company, and that is not how things are done around here.

You have some type of agenda, and it is not something that most of us like. A nurse is a nurse, and it does not matter where they trained, or where they are from. It seems that you have issues with a job that you had or that you want, and nothing more than that, since you are not able to back up anything that you have stated.

This will be the last time that I am going to ask for it and it is something that you need to be able to do before you make statements as you did about someone or something, or even a company. That is how things are done in the US, not your way.

Your entitled to your opinion.. It's yours, not mine. Thanks for your input.

My position remains solid and unchanged.

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Specializes in ICU/Critical Care.

Oh my god, I work with MANY canadian nurses and if not for them, we would be so short staffed. Don't bother asking him for resources, Suzanne, he just doesn't have them.

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It does not matter what your position is but the fact that you came here and made a statement about a specific company and yet cannot back up anything that you have said about them.

This is something that you need to do, you are the one that came here and posted. You need to back up what you posted when you accuse someone or a company of doing something. Or they have every right to press charges against you for what you wrote about them when you cannot back it up.

And this is what we are asking for, you need to provide documentation, not just what you believe to be true, that is apparently not. It is in your court now, and you have to answer.

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Specializes in Nurse Manager, Med-Surg, Instructor.
Why don't you do a commercial for them. Advocate for them against your own countrymen/women. You won't be the first. Remember Benedict Arnold??

I read some of the articles you referred to and I still don't agree with your statements about foreign nurses ruining it for all of us. Those articles didn't prove your point. I think it's great that well-trained nurses from all over the world can come to the USA and make it better, both for themselves, and for all of us. I've worked with some wonderful nurses from all over the world who have taught me a lot about life, about nursing, about patients.

I do agree with you about one thing...that we need a strong union that could change our salaries, our status, our respect in the workplace. I'm actually hawkish about this subject and stand with the ideas of the Major League Baseball Players Association and the National Football League Players Association....they've done some crazy things, like cancelling their seasons, and they make MILLIONS of $$$$$ per year while we struggle for $75,000 per year. They are entertainers, nurses are Life-Savers, so we should be making the big money, too. It's our lack of faith in ourselves that impede our progress, and our fear of the unknown, not the foreign-trained nurses who come here for a better life.

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Specializes in ICU/Critical Care.

Someone just kill this thread already.

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Thread closed since the op is unable to back up the statements that were made after repeatedly being asked.

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