States Who Have Banned HESI

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what do we know about the states that have banned HESI? I know New York is one...any others?

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My beef with this is that if this is going to be used to define whether a person graduates or not, the schools might want to implement the HESI earlier on so that people can flunk out way early rather than finish an entire program and be left without a degree.

And miss out on all those tuition dollars?? Nevah.

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No, not wrong...
You're very funny.

You may disagree with my position but, if you're really asserting that I do not understand what's being done then you are wrong -- I do understand, just as I did when they were doing it to me.

The difference is that I'm perfectly fine with them doing it.

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EVERYONE hides statistics. Or rather, manipulate statistics to show what they want. A savvy person realizes that, and knows what questions to ask to get the information they need. I don't think it would take a rocket scientist to think to ask the question "What's your drop-out rate? WHat's your graduation rate?" Every school is going to put their best foot forward, and isn't going to volunteer information that might paint them in an unfavorable light.

What is that saying?

Statistics are like bikinis - what they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. Sorry, don't know who said it.

....and how would you know if they were lying?

You wouldn't. Schools and Universities that are public or private and take public funding should be completely transparent in all of their practices.

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....and how would you know if they were lying?

You wouldn't. Schools and Universities that are public or private and take public funding should be completely transparent in all of their practices.

I think you're being a little naive. Like I said before, schools are not going to VOLUNTEER information that will paint them in a bad light. You just need to know the right questions to ask.

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You're very funny.

You may disagree with my position but, if you're really asserting that I do not understand what's being done then you are wrong -- I do understand, just as I did when they were doing it to me.

The difference is that I'm perfectly fine with them doing it.

Well, if you totally support the statistics being artificially skewed with the BON's so that students cannot make educated decisions on the quality of nursing programs, then so be it.

I personally believe that integrity in nursing should infiltrate, not just with the students, but with the faculty as well as the nursing program.

I never had to take the HESI, but I have read enough horror stories on here to know that I would have never considered a nursing program that had one, considering that there is ZERO independen research that it's even a valid predictor for the NCLEX...other than the people that are SELLING the testing product for a PROFIT to schools so that they can turn around and blame the students without taking a look in the mirror.

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I think you're being a little naive. Like I said before, schools are not going to VOLUNTEER information that will paint them in a bad light. You just need to know the right questions to ask.

Which is exactly why BON's publish the statistics that are public information on all nursing schools.

The information should be transparent but a novice student that isn't savy on educational institutions isn't going to ask those questions...and schools know it.

Thus, the skewing of the NCLEX pass rates flourishes.

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I guess the disconnect comes from the fact that some people don't agree with you that NCLEX pass rates are being "artificially skewed" by the requirement of the HESI.

Do you think any final exam wherein failing it means that you don't pass the course artificially skews NCLEX rates? Because that's really what the HESI comes down to, for those schools that require you to pass it in order to pass the course (and thus, get your degree). Consider it the final class's final exam.

And I know I'm a good test taker, but honestly, the HESI was really no big deal. All of my friends in nursing school passed it with the minimum required percentage as well. I found many of my med/surg tests to be much more challenging than the HESI.

If people are freaking out about the HESI, then perhaps they should rethink their preparedness for the NCLEX.

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I never had to take the HESI, but I have read enough horror stories on here to know that I would have never considered a nursing program that had one
I guess I just have/had more self-confidence than you do.

The all-or-nothing comprehensive exam just wasn't that big of a deal... neither was the NCLEX, for that matter.

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I've been reading this thread and others with interest about the HESI. The nursing school I have applied to has the HESI and I'm really not too concerned. I understand all the concerns about it not being fair to those who have to take it in order to graduate. I've read the horror stories on here and I feel for those who cannot pass it, but would it be considered wrong not to give an RN license to someone who has passed their classes, received their degree, but cannot pass the NCLEX? What's next, are people going to start suing the NCLEX because they have spent money and years on their education but cannot pass the test to receive their license?

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What's next, are people going to start suing the NCLEX because they have spent money and years on their education but cannot pass the test to receive their license?

Although not necessarily the same concept, I see your point and agree. I think the major issue is whether the HESI is really accurate at examining a student's level of knowledge. As others have mentioned, I would be curious to know if there are any statistics of those who did not do well on the HESI, but went on to pass the NCLEX. I personally don't see anything wrong with having a final exit exam in order to graduate, but I think the NCLEX does a good job at weeding out those who apparently did not learn the information and keeps them from practicing by not issuing a license.

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Did you ask?

They didn't tell me I was going to have to write a 30+ page psychosocial evaluation either...but they would have if I asked.

If prospective nursing students really don't want to take an exit exam, they can apply to programs that don't require them.

I didn't know TO ask, I had never heard of such a thing. I asked about graduation rates, and in what amount of time those people graduated, but I was not familiar with the HESI. I have now taken the TEAS, the NLN, and the HOBET. I am not afraid of failing a standardized test, but I think the way the HESI is being used is just plain wrong. Agree or disagree with me, its no skin off my back.

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I didn't know TO ask, I had never heard of such a thing.

The HESI I knew about.....the 30+ page psychosocial assessment was a surprise. In spite of my surprise, I didn't create a thread on AllNurses about the unfairness of the assignment....

I knew that my school's ratio of degrees granted to students matriculating showed that the overwhelming majority of students made it through the program and graduated.

I knew there was an exit exam.

I knew that theoretically I could have a 4.0 gpa and not graduate until I passed the exit exam.

I had no problem with that.

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