Staffing/Hiring: Am I dreaming or is this common practice?

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So I come in for NOC shift last night, after a four day weekend and marching in comes a nurse that I have never seen in my life and I have never heard of either. "I'm supposed to orient with you tonight".... "Oh," I say, "pleasure to meet you. How nice! And wich shift are you going to be working?" She says "Night shift, Monday through Friday." My jaw kind of dropped a little. I work Tuesday trhough Thursday and another nurse works Friday through Sunday. The only day they had problem staffing lately was Monday! I have not received a phone call about wether I would be willing - say - change my schedule or re-locate to a different wing. :uhoh21: The only phone calls I receive were as to wether I would pick up and cover extra shifts that they have trouble staffing. They know, as I very politely explained to them on several occasions - and as a matter of fact, when they hired me as well - that I cannot generally pick up additional shifts above our initial agreement, since I have two small children and especially on short notice day care is an issue. I also told them however, that I am willing to accomodate their needs as much as my private life allows, and offered them to talk to me at any time about shifting my work days around, if that would help the staffing planning.

Needless to say, the poor orientee was very distraught about the whole thing. She was saying that the last thing she wants to do is to bump a colleague. It was overall a very awkward and unpleasant situation.

People are quitting all the time here and I'm suspecting that they have trouble hiring new ones (which is probably common these days with the shortage - at least in my state). So I'm suspecting that they just promissed this new nurse anything, just to get her in the door, in hopes that she'll adjust to wathever they need to do with her at the end. Or could it be that they are planning to dump me (or bump me) for someone who is willing to work five days a week? Would that even be legally justifyable? I asked other nurses who've been there for a year or two and they said that they never seen or heard of such a thing and that they didn't think that that was legal... I've worked there for almost three months now, I have never called in sick, I am not aware on any complaints, overall I had the impression that I'm well liked by all and doing a satisfactory job... This all makes me nervous, and also it makes me feel kind of insulted. I mean, I'm not that hard to talk to and I am willing to listen and work with you.... At least you could give me the curtesy of a heads up and spare me the anxiety and the awkward situation with the orientee. :o

So my question is, is this normal? Have you ever experienced something similar? Do I have to worry?

Unless you're unionized, employment is generally "at will". The facility management will staff with those nurses that meet the facilities needs, not the employees needs. If the employees needs at the time of hire meet the goals of facility, then its all good until its no longer true. So, yes, it is possible that a five day per week individual with greater personal flexibility re scheduling could be assigned to replace another with a less than fulltime schedule and limited days or something like this. But frankly, they wouldnt do something as complicated as setting you up in order to accomplish this. They would just let you know that you're being replaced, and that does not appear to be the case here. Not saying at all that I agree with this approach, but I do believe it may explain whats occuring.

So I come in for NOC shift last night, after a four day weekend and marching in comes a nurse that I have never seen in my life and I have never heard of either. "I'm supposed to orient with you tonight".... "Oh," I say, "pleasure to meet you. How nice! And wich shift are you going to be working?" She says "Night shift, Monday through Friday." So my question is, is this normal? Have you ever experienced something similar? Do I have to worry?
I have never had an orientee show up without my being notified in advance. I have never showed up for an orientation that the person orienting me did not know I was coming. To me this indicates you are working for some shaky characters.

So...... what followed:

After I posted the initial post and after reading a few responses within the first hour or so, suggesting that I'd be better off talking to the DNS, I did just that. I called her up at work to ask her what's up with the orientee. It was very interesting, from - say - a psychological point of view:

At first she sounded very cold and unapproachable, as if anticipating an argument or an otherwise very uncomfortable situation. She told me, that she was actually planning on talking to me the following night about it. She stated that the fact of the matter is, that this person is an RN and that they need the valuable "8 RN hours per day" coverage. And since she wants to work 5 days a week, they are more than willing to accomodate that. In the spirit of the initial unapproachable/combative tone she also started saying something about them having a hard time "accomodating" me since I only work three nights a week...

(Excuse me, accomodating??? When I applied for this job I told you that I am ONLY looking for approx. 24 hours a week and you practically bent over backwards to hire me then regardless of my stipulations. - I thaught that to myself, didn say it out loud of course.)

... So, she condtinued, she was thinking that she'd like to offer me another noc position in the other - Subacute/vent unit.

"Okay", I said, "I understand. So wich hours do you have available?"

At that instance her tone very clearly changed and she started profusely appologizing about the way I found out about the change. "I wanted to talko to you about it tonight and I specifically asked the nurse not to mention this to you before I have the chance to talk to you."

Please, I was thinking to myself again. You have my cell phon number for crying out loud. What did you think we were going to talk about all night? What should she have said? That she's NOT orienting with me for my shift? However, out loud I said only that it's okay, that things happen, it's just that it caused a very awkward situation for the two of us, that the new nurse was also unnecessarily distraught over it, because she felt like she's pushing someone out of their job. I said that I understand that situations like this one occur from time to time and to please next time call me ahead of time if there are any changes in question or in case that I have an orientee for any reason.

She AGAIN profusely appologized over and over and I AGAIN said that it's okay and asked wich shifts they have available in the other unit.

She said: Well at this time, practically anything you want. You can pick ANY nights of the week (12 hour shifts) or weekends (8 hour shifts).

Hmmmmm, makes me wonder... I thaught to myself. And I told her then, that it doesn't really matter to me wich days of the week I work, as long as they aren't weekends and as long as they are consecutive, but if I have a choice, I'll take Mo, Tue, We.

"Okay," she said "Then I'll go and talk to XYZ (a nurse that just started working there) because she's working Mo, Tue, We, but she said, she doesn't mind which days she'll work. Hmmmmmmm, I thaught to myself again.

That eveneing, when I showed up for work, the DNS came to me and said that unfortunately, the only nights she can offer me are Thurs and Fri, because XYZ meanwhile committed to another job somewhere else for Thurs, Fri and thus she no longer doesn't mind which days she worked.

I agreed to Thurs and Fri, but made her promise that it won't change again...

She promissed that this is ABSOLUTELY final and AGAIN she appologized several times.

Hmmmmmmm :selfbonk:

So what do y'all think?

P.S.: Oh! One last aspect to this story that I forgot to mention: This new RN stated that she is working ANOTHER full time job - Mo through Fri at another facility. She wants to do the third shift at our facility (also full time, Mo thru Fri) as a means to make lots of money in a short time. She's never worked so much before and as a matter of fact, she hasn't worked night shift before, so she has no idea what she's getting herself into. She said that she sleeps four hours a day right now. She also said that if it doesn't work, she'd give up this job instead of her other one for benefit reasons. She said that the DNS knows about all this.

I'm giving it a month. I'm going to sit back a watch it happen. I'll probably like my new position better (the 12 hour shifts and the sub-acute aspect,since I'm comfortable in that area comming from med surg, higher accuity, lower nurse/patient ratios etc. ), but I'll admit that it makes me kind of bitter, since I'm fully comitted to this facility. But I guess I don't have the right initials behind my name...And please, I don't mean to be inflammatory about LPN/RNs issues, it's not the RNs fault!

Specializes in med/surg, telemetry, IV therapy, mgmt.

While you're sitting back and watching what happens over the next month I would be checking out other nursing homes or LPN jobs. I really don't like the way they are jerking you around. If the DNS knows this new nurse is working two full time jobs, why on earth would she want to replace you? You are someone who has worked there for three months now and have perfect attendance. Chances are that this new RN is not going to work out. It's very hard to work two full time jobs for very long, so something is going to "give" eventually. I'd be willing to bet that you are going to hear stories of the new nurse sleeping during her shift because she's so tired. Something just doesn't ring right here. This DNS sounds a little scattered brained to me and thinks illogically. I don't like the fact that she just sprung this new nurse on you and was going to talk to you about it the next day. Say what? That's not right. What makes it so incredible is that she admitted to you that she did it deliberately! This DNS seems very cowardly. I don't like people in leadership positions who cannot come forward and be truthful with the staff. It destoys trust. Right now you're worried about whether or not you have a job--you, with three months senority over this new employee. Nursing staff are not game pieces on a chess board to move around at her will. She just talked you out of your 3 day a week job that she gave you when you were hired. She is more than willing to put her trust in a new employee of which she knows nothing over you who has been a good employee for the three months you've worked for her. Does that sound logical to you? She also acted very evasive when you confronted her (which you had every right to do). If this is the way she is with other staff at this nursing home, this may be the reason nurses come and go so quickly there. Make very sure that if you are going to work the night shift in the subacute unit that there is an RN there with you and that you are left alone with no RN backup. You have very good instincts about this situation. Now, that you've had the weekend to think about it, it's not too late to call this DNS back and tell her you've reconsidered her offer if you feel you want to do that. Your job may be on the line, however. I wouldn't trust any promise she makes to you, not after what she's done. There are lots better nursing homes out there, believe me. I'd look around while you're waiting for the month to pass by. I wouldn't feel a bit bad about leaving this place without giving notice.

She's gonna crash and burn and you will probably get your hrs back.

While you're sitting back and watching what happens over the next month I would be checking out other nursing homes or LPN jobs. [/Quote]

Yeah I allready started looking a little. But I also want to wait and see if being patient won't benefit me at the end. ...I like working at this place and it would be nice if at the end I came out on top as the one who was flexible and faithfull...

Specializes in med/surg, telemetry, IV therapy, mgmt.
Yeah I allready started looking a little. But I also want to wait and see if being patient won't benefit me at the end. ...I like working at this place and it would be nice if at the end I came out on top as the one who was flexible and faithfull...

I hear ya. I really sympathize with your situation and I'm not sure that I wouldn't do the same thing as you if I were in your situation. I have to work and that plays a big part in a lot of decisions I make about my employment. You have several months of experience as a charge nurse now. So, you have something to offer if you decide to investigate other job opportunities.

Specializes in Clinical Research, Outpt Women's Health.

I want to playt devil's advocate! It sounds to me lie the manager is trying to please everyone in order to get staffing at proper levels. You have been wishy-washy about your needs in order to be flexible for the manager. Perhaps she is thinking she can pretty much plug you in anywhere so she is giving the new gal whatever she wants in order to get her in. If you were to tell her "this is what I need and want", and "this will not work for me" on very clear terms then she would know the limits. I really get a sense that right now she thinks anything goes, and that part of her thinking that is your fault. You are trying so hard to ba acomodating that she may not realize she is chancing losing you.

I really think she would not want to lose you and needs to know clearly what the stakes are.

Disclaimer: I could be totally wrong!

Needless to say, the poor orientee was very distraught about the whole thing. She was saying that the last thing she wants to do is to bump a colleague. It was overall a very awkward and unpleasant situation.

I am sure everyone will rip into me for this, but why did you even bring it up to the orientee? It was an issue between you and your supervisor. Instead, you made the new nurse feel uncomfortable and responsible for the problem.

Not that I agree at all with the way your boss handled the situation from start to finish.

I want to playt devil's advocate! It sounds to me lie the manager is trying to please everyone in order to get staffing at proper levels. You have been wishy-washy about your needs in order to be flexible for the manager. Perhaps she is thinking she can pretty much plug you in anywhere so she is giving the new gal whatever she wants in order to get her in. If you were to tell her "this is what I need and want", and "this will not work for me" on very clear terms then she would know the limits. I really get a sense that right now she thinks anything goes, and that part of her thinking that is your fault. You are trying so hard to ba acomodating that she may not realize she is chancing losing you.

I really think she would not want to lose you and needs to know clearly what the stakes are.

Disclaimer: I could be totally wrong!

Interesting point.

However, I don't know about this. I've been very firm and unflexible about not comming in, when they call me to pick up an extra shift. (I have to be, I have two small children and a husband who works sometimes twelve or even more hours a day. It's not possible for me to arrange for a baby sitter on short notice plus it would cost me nearly as much to do so, as I would make in that extra shift.) Most of the other employees welcome those extra hours, some of them even concider it (or so they say) their duty to put in overtime hours (I don't know why, but it sure messes it up for the rest of us.)

...So I figured that to compensate for that, I better be flexible within the limits that I have which are no weekends and my days have to be consecutive. I other words, the fact that I'm moving didn't really bother me, it was the way I was dealth with.

I think I also made it clear to the DNS- in a nice, polite or shall we say diplomatic way, that I didn't appreciate the way this situation was dealt with...

...Or am I being too nice and making a doormat out of myself? I don't know. Sometimes I wish I could be a fly on the wall and see how other proffessionals conduct themselves in these types of situations... :)

I am sure everyone will rip into me for this, but why did you even bring it up to the orientee? It was an issue between you and your supervisor. Instead, you made the new nurse feel uncomfortable and responsible for the problem.

Not that I agree at all with the way your boss handled the situation from start to finish.

I don't know if you read the OP and the other posts at the beginning of the tread, but I'll restate what I allready mentioned there:

Me: How nice to have someone new on board! Welcome! So which shift are you going to work?

Her: Mo-Fri night!

Me: Oh!

Her: OMG! I can't believe they did that... I told them, the last thing I want is to push someone out of their position!

Me: It's okay, I'm sure you're not pushing me out. I assume they want to move me to the other unit... And I don't mind that, it's just that they didn't tell me...

I don't think I would have been able to be quiet about this. Heck who wants to train their replacement when you weren't planning on quitting?

Estrogen, I am the same way. Firm with my schedule. Every other weekend 3-11. I tell them they can try to call me to ask about an open shift, but I make no promises. I got me 3 kids of my own:chuckle On occasion, I do come in or wil try to make it for a 5 or 6 pm to 11.

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