There are many of you that wish to come to the US. That we can all agree on. But the fashion that some of you are doing it in; is quite frightening. And I should say, intolerable.
1. When you sign a letter of intent, it is the same as signing the contract. It is an agreement, and you agree to abide by it.
2. Do not accept an offer, if you are just planning to continue shopping for something better. You have then taken away a position for someone else that may have wanted it. At least until you have officially declined it.
3. Some of you are coming to the US with the idea of buying your contract out right away. Don't do it. If you do not like the contract, do not sign it.
4. Contracts are legally binding. Unless the agency or facility were terrible or did not have work for you, just to back out because you got a better offer is just not acceptable. Adn you have to have just reasons for a contract to be cancelled, not just because you found something better, but real reasons.
5. There are actually hospitals that will not petition for Filipinos right now, because of contract cancelling, etc. And this is right in California.
6. No one is going to buy you out of your contract for $20,000, so please get that idea our of your head. just more empty promises that someone is making.
7. If you decide to try and be sneaky about things, it will only come back to bite you, and you will find issues of even being able to keep your job. And remember that if you get fired, you will be responsible for paying out the cancellation clause of your contract. No way around that.
Sorry to have to be so candid, but I am seeing more of this everyday, and I am not happy with it.
Oh, but it is!!! The mere fact that you chose to be self-indulgent (...i.e. "I have to say.......) instead of careful to the interest group of this thread means you're discriminate as to who you'd respect...not really a sign of open, unbiased thinking. It seems to me that you've formed judgment to the whole group (PHILIPPINE NURSING) in your mind all this time, which explains why you hadn't the need to be careful anyway.
It's easy to say that people say things because they're being straightforward, frank. But FOR WHAT PURPOSE???? If there's no real use, why bother?
I hope you realize now that not because every single UK nurse you know is goody-two-shoes means that ALL of them are. It's the same with Filipino nurses, even if some have become crooked, it doesn't follow that every one is. And of course, Filipino nurses can achieve the respect of others, too, on no other basis but their accomplishment and character.
Look.....I've done my best to apologise if my post offended anyone. But you seem intent on carrying this on. I am not an argumentative person and will say no more.
1. there are differences in the english language and how it is used between people of different countries. different things mean different things.
2. i got yelled at for telling someone to
"do their homework" and not in a very nice way. :confused: :confused: (on that other forum)
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this is another reason to show you how hard it can be by coming to a new country, even when you speak english, there are different idioms that are used, and can cause problems. please do not take offense with each other, that is not what this post is about.
let alone medical idioms: such as we use the term "bm" to mean bowel movement in the us; in the uk, it means a blood glucose.
i am going to close this thread for a cooling off period until over this weekend.
Hopefully there has been a nice break from this thread. And this just oges to prove my point even more, the English language is spoken differently in different countries and there are different meanings to things. If you are not sure how someone meant something, ASK.
Simple as that. All of you are planning to work in the US, and soon. Idioms mean different things to different cultures.
And to clear up what was going on up above, there was not one racist comment made. Things were taken out of context. Wars have been fought for smaller things than this.
Please be civil to one another, or I will not be around to help anyone.
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Hopefully there has been a nice break from this thread. And this just oges to prove my point even more, the English language is spoken differently in different countries and there are different meanings to things. If you are not sure how someone meant something, ASK.
Simple as that. All of you are planning to work in the US, and soon. Idioms mean different things to different cultures.
And to clear up what was going on up above, there was not one racist comment made. Things were taken out of context. Wars have been fought for smaller things than this.
Please be civil to one another, or I will not be around to help anyone.
Suzanne, please do not consider the acts of some to be your reason to abandon us, such is a horrible thing to happen...Pardon Suzanne, mercy I ask, in behalf of all the filipinos in this forum...Forgive them Suzanne, for they know not what they do(or say)...
Forum posters/friends/countrymen/nurses, let us be professional and cultivate the culture of love not the culture of hate, as what our God commands us to do...
Let us try to learn from each other and help one another.
the effort and trust alone given by your employer just to petition you to the US is enough reason why you have to repay them in return. if you plan to move out, do it the legal process. finish your contract and you decide where you go from there. shame on those individuals who just took the opportunity for granted, there are more deserving and talented nurses out there whom should take your seats instead.
dishonorable and unethical practices happens, regardless of your country of origin. asians do it, americans and brits are no exception... therefore Zuzanne's message is for everyone!
assuming the message is indeed meant for Filipinos alone, then we have suzanne to thank for, its a wake up call for all filipino nurses..we have kababayan who do this things, ironically, it hurt us all.
lets try to be objective about it and not go defensive.
I've seen issues with online conversations a million times: miscommunication. Yes, the internet is a good way to communicate but it's not the best way. I've learned not to take everything too seriously and don't see it as an attack to you or the group you're representing. I've learned in online chats or boards like this to NEVER ASSUME and don't go on the defensive right away. Online conversations are NOT the same as physically seeing and interacting with the other person, you can't have the same attitude or assumptions as you would in any "normal" conversation. Attitudes like this will never get you far in nursing and for sure there wiil be many instances at the bedside (or wherever u decide to work) where you will hear things coming from your colleagues that will make your ears prick, but bite that tongue... think things through before you assume and say something you'll regret. Pick your battles.
The downside of this board is that you can't really see facial expressions and body languages of people you're talking to. But we have to make the most of our resources and I believe this chatroom has a wealth of information to all the Filipino nurses wherever they may be and whatever level of nursing they are in. This board has served as a watchful eye to nurses all over.
Suzanne, your honesty is much appreciated and I don't think you have to apologize that you had to be honest. You're doing a great job in helping Filipino nurses.
Suzanne, please do not consider the acts of some to be your reason to abandon us, such is a horrible thing to happen...Pardon Suzanne, mercy I ask, in behalf of all the filipinos in this forum...Forgive them Suzanne, for they know not what they do(or say)...
Forum posters/friends/countrymen/nurses, let us be professional and cultivate the culture of love not the culture of hate, as what our God commands us to do...
Let us try to learn from each other and help one another.
John, I know you meant well, however I feel like you didn't have to apologize or even ask for mercy for the sake of others. You didn't do anything wrong. I don't think anyone did anything wrong, it's all miscommunication and it happens in everyday life. And I don't think we all should worry, Suzanne has a kind heart. She doesn't know all of us, I don't even know if she's Filipina or not, but she's helping people that she doesn't even know or have seen. Let's just not abuse the help that she's giving and treat every response with respect. I know you all know, but that's key to therapeutic communication we all learned in nursing school.
after reading the post….it made me think that this (contract issue) is an exclusive issue among filipino nurses. even if this occurs more frequently among filipino nurses, i would have been more cautious and stated that it also an issue among “______” nurses.
after reading the post....it made me think that this (contract issue) is an exclusive issue among filipino nurses. even if this occurs more frequently among filipino nurses, i would have been more cautious and stated that it also an issue among "______" nurses.
i was about to post something but you've edited it before i quoted you. but i've read your original post nonetheless and it wasn't good.
i see that you are new here. you should read more posts here and in the int'l forum before you think that someone is prejudice. there is a history into this and you should know first where suzanne is coming from. if you know at least a little bit of what she knows is happening regarding this issue you'll know where she's coming from and you'll undertsand why she posted such a message.
i've also read the posts in that other forum where filipino nurses would blatantly post publicly that they would jump ship or not honor their contracts, etc..so even though i'm still here in the philippines i know where suzanne is coming from. what more if your in suzanne's shoes where she always hears about this happening in the us. these persons make it hard for other honest, hard-working filipinos to be petitioned because employers are now careful on whom to sponsor or to petition.
i understand that you're in the us (idaho?) already and planning in starting a course for lpn. you must be an immigrant already because your planning in going thru that route and your probably not worry about being sponsored or petitoned for a green card. lucky you if your in that case. for the rest of us in the philippines who can't afford to go to the us on our own are desperately in need of an employer to petition for us and the filipino rns already in the us that are doing this shameful things are making it extra hard for us to get an employer to be petitioned. employers are already having 2nd thoughts of providing sponsorship for the rest of us because of what they're doing. it is not what other foreign rns are doing. an issue regarding a certain foreign national rn would not affect us much filipino nurses much but what filipino nurses do. same with the other foreign rns. if a certain foreign national rn is known in doing some "things" then only that specifc nationality is affected and not us filipinos.
pls. refrain from posting judgmental comments on someone esp. on a subject that you know little of or at least know the background.
"i was about to post something but you've edited it before i quoted you. but i've read your original post nonetheless and it wasn't good."
there's a very good reason why it was edited (???)
"you should read more posts here and in the int'l forum before you think that someone is prejudice......pls. refrain from posting judgmental comments on someone esp. on a subject that you know little of or at least know the background."
i did not say nor implied that suzanne is prejudice. i apologize if it sounded like that.
i've read the thread and checked the posts and the threads related to this topic. she's obviously very resourceful and helpful.
"i was about to post something but you've edited it before i quoted you. but i've read your original post nonetheless and it wasn't good."
there's a very good reason why it was edited (???)
"you should read more posts here and in the int'l forum before you think that someone is prejudice......pls. refrain from posting judgmental comments on someone esp. on a subject that you know little of or at least know the background."
i did not say nor implied that suzanne is prejudice. i apologize if it sounded like that.
i've read the thread and checked the posts and the threads related to this topic. she's obviously very resourceful and helpful.
all i can say is that your lucky i was probably the only one who has read your original post.
letina
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Look.....I've done my best to apologise if my post offended anyone. But you seem intent on carrying this on. I am not an argumentative person and will say no more.