Socialized Medicine Part 2

I found this interesting article on the internet which I would like to share with the readers of my blog, and which I am sure many will find interesting, thought-provoking and extremely relevant to my current theme. This is written by a young aspiring politician in the UK. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

I found this interesting article on the internet which I would like to share with the readers of my blog, and which I am sure many will find interesting, thought-provoking and extremely relevant to my current theme. This is written by a young aspiring politician in the UK.

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It's been a while since something got me so riled as the debates going on the in US about healthcare. So while the old political Dave is back I thought i would put my thoughts down.

In Europe, the arguments over universal healthcare were over decades ago: all that remains is a polite discussion of how best to fund them. But in the US, the idea that government should have any place in the relationship between doctor and patient remains controversial to many, and a red rag to a few. Less than 20% of Amerians believe their healthcare system is in crisis - a proportion that has not changed in 15 years. Based on healthcare insurance, supplemented for the over 65s, and Medicare for the poor, at best the system is good. So where is the problem? Well premiums are rising fast. We call it an excess, I believe you call it deductables. For almost 20% of those insured, deductables exceed $1000. A lot of fat cats are getting fatter on the backs of many who can ill afford to spend as much on insurance. At best healthcare in the US is outstanding. But as a sytem judged on quality, access, equity and healthy lives, US medicine lags behind the UK, Australia, Canada, Germany and New Zealand, according to the Commonwealth Fund. The US scores well on rapid access (second only to Germany). Americans however do not put equity, access and efficiency as high on their list and are seemingly unaware that their expensive system doesn't, on the whole, deliver good results. In 2007 the US spent 16.2% ($2.2trn) of GDP on healthcare, against the UK's 8.4%.

I think it is important that we both realise the reasons for the radically different national consciousness both our nations have. To do this we need a little history lesson. Britons, along with their neighbours in Europe, were for centuries forced to live under a system of government that abused their power, it's citizens and it's wealth. At a time when Britain enjoyed the largest modern Empire the world has ever seen along with the wealthiest economy it has ever had the majority of it's people IN Britain were left to starve. The Empire was built on the backs of the poor yet none of the wealth filtered down to them, they were in essence slaves of the Empire not subjects of the of the ruling nation. Consequently resentment showed itself in many ways, one of them being socialism and the other a want, even need, to free ones self from the ruling elite. The 'American' war of independence happened because those Europeans living in the new land had chose the second option. Centuries of maltreatment errupted when opportunity for a new nation presented itself. In wasn't infact a war of independence but a civil war, a revolution against the ruling elite and only happened because of centuries of social evolution. It was a chance that Europeans living in the mother nations didn't have. So you now have two sets of Europeans. On one side of the Atlantic the very same Europeans have now become Americans with a distrust at best and resentment at worst to socialist values. The reason for this resentment and mistrust is because they never needed the help of a socialist system, for they were already free from the shackles they once had. On the other side of the Atlantic however the struggle continued as did the resentment. Socialist movements grew and a shift in thinking eventually followed.

Now there are two events that changed things forever, the First and Second World Wars. A shift in thinking had now taken place. Europeans needed to be looked after and their nations needed to be nurtured and re-built. It is because of this that Europe has a different view of the role of government than America. The government is there to serve the people, but it is also there to look after its citizens. People were living in broken countries and were destitute. The vast majority of people simply could not afford medical costs and quite simply a welfare state wasn't an option it was a necessity. The state of the nations health had to become a politcal idea and it must remain that way.

You talk about equal opportunities in a way that makes it sound like a uniquely American idea, i assure you it is not. The most important word is not that off opportunity but that of equal - equality. All of us are equal, from the very rich to the very poor. We are all the same and as a result should all be treated in the same way. Most in Europe have had the opportunity to develop and they have been enjoying it on a national level for far longer than America. In 1955 a black man in London would have the same freedom and opportunity as a white man sitting next to him, i don't think the same can be said for the US. Freedom and equality for all or only if your face fits and you have the money?

An insurance system by way of private companies promotes resentment towards those who, for whatever reason, do not pay their way. You will always get free loaders and like you I have a deep distain for them. Believe me we have many of them in this country but i don't think we should let them ruin it for the majority of people who simply cannot afford to pay their way. Should we go back to the days of Oliver Twist and adopt a laissez farie attitude towards social care because of the few that abuse the system or should we maintain a level of national care that will continue to see increasing living standards for the masses? I pay 11% of my wage for National Insurance. That 11% will pay the bills if i lose my job; fix my arm if it is broken; provide money should i become too sick to work; give me a pension in my old age and provide me with a payment to help me cope with loss should my partner die. It also ensures that those same benefits apply to those who do not work but do I resent that? The answer is no. Should little Jonny down the road suffer in poverty because his mum is a drug addict and sponges of the state or should the state be there to provide cradle to grave care for him? What is the point in having equal opportunities if you can not reach them? If you begin life in the gutter it is almost impossible to benefit from such opportunities without a helping hand from the government.

In America there is simply a lack of consensus around the idea that universal healthcare is an ideal worth striving for. In Europe it was made part of our 'new start' after WW2 and we cannot imagine a world without it. Individualism brought us two world wars and saw millions dead. Those who weren't dead were forced to live in poverty. The US however saw no reason to abandon individualism, and now it is much harder to do so. While the protests have been orchestrated, they would not have occured at all unless they chimed with deep and strongly-felt sentiments.

I believe that by the strength of our common endeavor we achieve more than we achieve alone, so as to create for each of us the means to realize our true potential and for all of us a community in which power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many, not the few, where the rights we enjoy reflect the duties we owe, and where we live together, freely, in a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect.

You see for us it is more than healthcare. Our National Health Service (NHS) is a reminder that the days of the lives described in Dickens novels are gone forever and while the NHS exists they will not return. For that reason we love our NHS and it should be the envy of the world.

Geek - probably, boring - certainly not....

Specializes in Med-Surg, Critical Care, Public Health.
We do not need univeral healthcare. Canada's system is going to implode on itself.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jbjzPEY0Y3bvRD335rGu_Z3KXoQw

I have insurance and I see any physician I want. I do not wait weeks or even months for care. I saw my doctor last Monday and this Wednesday I m having surgery. I do not care for any healthcare that has the government directing. I am for getting medical access for those who do not have insurance but please leave mine along. It is true that you get what you pay for.

those words might haunt you one day. Nothing that imperfect humans create is quaranteed, and that includes private insurance. The government of the people must be involved in some things to provide stabilization and prevent chaos. Socialism is more or less shared ownership. So are the private insurances a part of that? yes! Corporations are now the largest purchasers of private health insurance. In an effort to provide profit for themselves they have:

1) lift more cost to the consumer through larger premiums, deductibles, and out of pocket expenses.

2) choices of providers are limited, 3) non-medical staff decides whether you can have surgery, certain types of treatments, home care, 4) discrimination against pre-existing illnesses, 5) dictates length of hospital days, 6) discharges occur before medically stable, 7) refusal to pay for rehospitilizations, causing partial treatments, 8) bankruptcies, due to high medical costs. I can go on and on.

What I am saying is that most private insurances are all for self, and the consumers care are being rationed. America life expectancy rate is 78.1 yrs which is the lowest of all the industrialized nations. The U.S ranked 35th in health care delivery to its citizens. I know you are going to say their taxes are higher. You know what, most middle class hard working people I know with 2-3 jobs would rather be taxed then to not have health care coverage. They will have peace of mind.

Do you know the bible talked about unforeseen events. You can lose an extremity or you can become paralyzed in an instant. You can be in the wrong place at the wrong time. At that point in time, do you think your private insurance company would want to keep you? No! You have now become their burden, and they will do what ever it takes to terminate your coverage, due to cost increase. Now, who do you turn to, "THE GOVERNMENT MEDICARE" BECAUSE YOU ARE NOW DISABLED.

My fellow nurse, I have seen many bad things happened to middle class hard working people by their private insurances. Some people who thought they were financially set for life, end up losing their beautiful homes due to high medical costs. These are not myths or heresay, but facts. The government involvement in healthcare reform is essential to compete, lower costs, and be an advocate for those who are vulnerable and weak. HOW CAN WE DEFEND HUMAN RIGHTS AROUND THE WORLD, WHEN OUR OWN CITIZENS ARE SUFFERING

As President Obama said repeatedly, you can keep your insurance if you are satisfied. The town hall meetings should be about gaining credible information through sensible debating, not screaming or drowning out each other. What do health care reform has to do with name calling, death threats, displaying loaded guns near the president's meetings, and lying, just about everything. The display of guns looked as if they are in an unruly nation. We are seen around the world as a nation full of anger and hatred, not as the nation that others have looked up to for guidance. When have we seen people with guns strapped to their waste, near any president of the united states. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME, I HAVE SEEN SUCH A DETESTABLE THING. SHAME ON US

(GOD'S GOVERNMENT IS THE ONLY SOLUTION TO EARTH'S PROBLEM)

those words might haunt you one day. Nothing that imperfect humans create is quaranteed, and that includes private insurance.Considering that Medicare and Social Security are bankrupt I'll take my CHANCES in a free market for MY health. Many turn a blind eye to the importance of the fact that Social Security and Medicare are bankrupt and that our Federal Government is now using income tax revenue to pay out benefits. SOCIAL SECURITY IS A TRUST FUND! As the name implies we TRUSTED our Federal Government NOT to spend our money. And ignorant people now want to give our Federal Government another opportunity to collect taxes and spend our Health Care money away??? PLEASE!!! Social Security is now $45,000,000,000, that's TRILLION, in debt for promised benefits to those currently paying in. How any reasonably sane person can continue to support and be PROUD of these failed Social Programs is just incredible. The government of the people must be involved in some things to provide stabilization and prevent chaos.If you think for a second that our Federal Government cares about YOUR health and that YOUR health is at the heart of this debate then I truly feel sorry for you. As with every other Social Program the Democrats have created in the past, they are trying to pass legislation that will create dependency which in turn ensures future POLITICAL POWER for their side! Sure, some are brainwashed into thinking they are genuinely helping people. But do not be deceived, ultimately it's POLITICAL CONTROL the Democrats are after.Socialism is more or less shared ownership.No that is NOT correct. Socialism by definition is the Federal Government control of the PRIVATE sector. So are the private insurances a part of that? yes! Corporations are now the largest purchasers of private health insurance. A direct consequence of the HMO ACT of 1973 which mandated that all businesses over 25 employees provide. Now you're complaining??? Your argument makes NO sense. If you READ the history of Health Care in America you'll find a direct correlation between the rising costs of health care and Federal Government interference in our health care. In an effort to provide profit for themselves they have:

1) lift more cost to the consumer through larger premiums, deductibles, and out of pocket expenses.You don't see these outlandish premiums costs in States that have little or no State regulations placed on the Insurance Companies. De-monopolized insurance companies, de-regulated insurance companies, and a REAL free marketplace where the patient is truly the customer will control prices by the natural demand of the services. You can't in one breath support the Federal Government removing incentives for insurance companies to keep premium prices affordable and then with another breath complain because premium prices are too high. That's contradictory!

2) choices of providers are limited, 3) non-medical staff decides whether you can have surgery, certain types of treatments, home care, 4) discrimination against pre-existing illnesses, 5) dictates length of hospital days, 6) discharges occur before medically stable, 7) refusal to pay for rehospitilizations, causing partial treatments, 8) bankruptcies, due to high medical costs. I can go on and on.

What I am saying is that most private insurances are all for self, and the consumers care are being rationed.We need De-monoplized insurance companies! We need More competition! America life expectancy rate is 78.1 yrs which is the lowest of all the industrialized nations.We eat junk food and sit in front of the TV all day. Our health care system can't fix laziness! Has nothing to do with the quality of our system! The U.S ranked 35th in health care delivery to its citizens. I haven't heard of too many Americans crossing the borders of Canada to get access to their wonderful health care system. PLEASE!!! No, it's quite the contrary. I know you are going to say their taxes are higher.Their taxes are higher. :) You know what, most middle class hard working people I know with 2-3 jobs would rather be taxed then to not have health care coverage.Groundless argument. Worthless! They will have peace of mind.

Do you know the bible talked about unforeseen events. You can lose an extremity or you can become paralyzed in an instant. You can be in the wrong place at the wrong time. At that point in time, do you think your private insurance company would want to keep you? No! You have now become their burden, and they will do what ever it takes to terminate your coverage, due to cost increase.You talk as though there are hordes of patients that this is happening too. If so, give examples. Groundless argument, Worthless! Now, who do you turn to, "THE GOVERNMENT MEDICARE" BECAUSE YOU ARE NOW DISABLED. I do believe funds should be set aside for EXTREME hard luck cases.

My fellow nurse, I have seen many bad things happened to middle class hard working people by their private insurances.Give examples and facts please. Otherwise this is your opinion which doesn't add to the debate. Some people who thought they were financially set for life, end up losing their beautiful homes due to high medical costs.We need to encourage the concept of creating more charitable organizations to help those EXTREME hard luck cases. But first we need to stop over-taxing our population so that folks have extra money to donate. I challenge you to sit down and calculate every penny that goes to taxes in one form or another. If you make a decent living I bet you'll find your output of taxes is around 50% or more. 50% more in your pocket equals more charitable giving. These are not myths or heresay, but facts. The government involvement in healthcare reform is essential to compete, LIE. Competition decreases because of artificial cost containment accompanied by artificial consumer satisfaction which stifles natural price control set by customer demand. Plus this is not the role of the Federal Government lower costs,LIE. Statistical data shows the contrary and prices actually increase. Plus it's not the role of the Federal Government and be an advocate for those who are vulnerable and weak. False, our Federal Government is a Constitutional Republic not an advocate for the weak. That's YOUR job and our community organization's job. HOW CAN WE DEFEND HUMAN RIGHTS AROUND THE WORLD, WHEN OUR OWN CITIZENS ARE SUFFERING How can you compare the plight of a truly impoverished people to that of an American citizen, even one who lives below the so-called poverty guidelines. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT POVERTY!

As President Obama said repeatedly, you can keep your insurance if you are satisfied.FALSE - Obama's plan will ARTIFICIALLY lower costs. At the same time private insurance companies will take the hit by being required to make up the difference of what the Hospitals are losing by only being allowed to bill for the artifically lowered costs. What the hospitals bill the private insurance companies will drastically increase. Consequently, only the RICH will be able to afford private health care premiums. The town hall meetings should be about gaining credible information through sensible debating, not screaming or drowning out each other.Oh please... Just because a few of the people speaking aren't as polished as you'd like then that means you have a right to discount or marginalize their voice??? Most of these people have probably never spoken in a public event before in their lives. Just because their words don't come out quite right doesn't mean what their saying is wrong. What do health care reform has to do with name calling, death threats, displaying loaded guns near the president's meetings, and lying, just about everything.Their are a small minority of crazies on both sides. Worthless argument. The display of guns looked as if they are in an unruly nation. We are seen around the world as a nation full of anger and hatred, not as the nation that others have looked up to for guidance. When have we seen people with guns strapped to their waste, near any president of the united states. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME, I HAVE SEEN SUCH A DETESTABLE THING. SHAME ON US What you're referring to are STATE LAWS in Arizona and New Hampshire which allow gun owners to carry a weapon as long as it is visible. These people were NOT DOING ANYTHING ILLEGAL and NO ARRESTS were made. I'm in awe that you apparently think these gun owners were doing something immoral or illegal just because they were exercising their FREEDOM. I guess if you have a problem with the open-carry laws then mail a letter to the State Representatives within those States. (GOD'S GOVERNMENT IS THE ONLY SOLUTION TO EARTH'S PROBLEM)

Take care and Saude!
Specializes in ICU, APHERESIS, IV THERAPY, ONCOLOGY, BC.
those words might haunt you one day. Nothing that imperfect humans create is quaranteed, and that includes private insurance. The government of the people must be involved in some things to provide stabilization and prevent chaos. Socialism is more or less shared ownership. So are the private insurances a part of that? yes! Corporations are now the largest purchasers of private health insurance. In an effort to provide profit for themselves they have:

1) lift more cost to the consumer through larger premiums, deductibles, and out of pocket expenses.

2) choices of providers are limited, 3) non-medical staff decides whether you can have surgery, certain types of treatments, home care, 4) discrimination against pre-existing illnesses, 5) dictates length of hospital days, 6) discharges occur before medically stable, 7) refusal to pay for rehospitilizations, causing partial treatments, 8) bankruptcies, due to high medical costs. I can go on and on.

What I am saying is that most private insurances are all for self, and the consumers care are being rationed. America life expectancy rate is 78.1 yrs which is the lowest of all the industrialized nations. The U.S ranked 35th in health care delivery to its citizens. I know you are going to say their taxes are higher. You know what, most middle class hard working people I know with 2-3 jobs would rather be taxed then to not have health care coverage. They will have peace of mind.

Do you know the bible talked about unforeseen events. You can lose an extremity or you can become paralyzed in an instant. You can be in the wrong place at the wrong time. At that point in time, do you think your private insurance company would want to keep you? No! You have now become their burden, and they will do what ever it takes to terminate your coverage, due to cost increase. Now, who do you turn to, "THE GOVERNMENT MEDICARE" BECAUSE YOU ARE NOW DISABLED.

My fellow nurse, I have seen many bad things happened to middle class hard working people by their private insurances. Some people who thought they were financially set for life, end up losing their beautiful homes due to high medical costs. These are not myths or heresay, but facts. The government involvement in healthcare reform is essential to compete, lower costs, and be an advocate for those who are vulnerable and weak. HOW CAN WE DEFEND HUMAN RIGHTS AROUND THE WORLD, WHEN OUR OWN CITIZENS ARE SUFFERING

As President Obama said repeatedly, you can keep your insurance if you are satisfied. The town hall meetings should be about gaining credible information through sensible debating, not screaming or drowning out each other. What do health care reform has to do with name calling, death threats, displaying loaded guns near the president's meetings, and lying, just about everything. The display of guns looked as if they are in an unruly nation. We are seen around the world as a nation full of anger and hatred, not as the nation that others have looked up to for guidance. When have we seen people with guns strapped to their waste, near any president of the united states. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME, I HAVE SEEN SUCH A DETESTABLE THING. SHAME ON US

(GOD'S GOVERNMENT IS THE ONLY SOLUTION TO EARTH'S PROBLEM)

Fear of change, fear of the unknown and above all, fear of losing more money to a system that appears to want to take more and give back less in today's environment will induce reactions like this. I think town hall gatherings should be not to dictate what people will have but rather to present scenarios where the public are able to debate and discuss. Trying to bring about a shift in how traditional health care has been delivered during this time of fragile economies and enormous financial insecurity is an enormous challenge. People all over the world in nationalised health care don't understand its financial model. Why should Americans feel differently? The overall idea of change for improvement of delivery to the nation is a laudable idea and one, if done well and with considerable knowledge, competence and forethought could spearhead a new paradigm of health care. If one looks at history, guns, threats and snipers are all ways that people react when they don't like, don't trust or feel threatened. This president has entered a period fraught with losses, insecurity, financial ruin and just about the most negative scenario a leader could inherit after fighting the battle to succeed.. There are no immediate answers and just as it took at least 8 years or more for the financial bubble to burst, so will it take time to stabilise. Healthcare nevertheless, needs urgent change because of the risks to our future generations. If people don't have the means to pay for the care they feel they deserve, what is the alternative in a nation which has traditionally led the first world, especially when there appear to be less supporting pillars? Nurses must be part of this change, we are uniquely positioned in so many ways and yet, our voices, expertise and knowledge is still being dismissed. I don't think that power makers can afford that position any longer.

Specializes in Med-Surg, Critical Care, Public Health.
Take care and Saude!

SOCIALIZED MEDICINE --YOU MEAN LIKE MEDICARE AND MEDICAID? BOTH ARE FULLY PAID FOR BY THE GOVERNMENT. MEDICARE- SENIOR CITIZENS AND THE DISABLED LOVE IT, EVENTHOUGH IT IS FUNDED BY THE GOVERNMENT. MEDICAID - HELPS THOSE WHO ARE CALLED THE WORKING POOR. THEY WORKED 2 AND 3 JOBS, BUT CANNOT AFFORD INSURANCE. THE GOVERNMENT'S ROLE IS SIMPLY TO COLLECT MONEY AND PAY BILLS, A ROLE THAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN CARRY OUT EFFECTIVELY. MEDICARE/MEDICAID ARE NOT CURRENTLY BANKRUPT. THEY WILL BE AT ABOUT 2019, IF BOTH ARE NOT REFORMED. BABY BOOMERS, AN INCREASE IN THE ELDERLY, AND POVERTY OVER THE YEARS, CAN OVERWHELMED THE SYSTEMS. SO, REFORM FOR BOTH ARE CRUCIAL.

WHAT ABOUT PUBLIC SCHOOLS, THE ROADS/HIGHWAYS, THE MILITARY SYSTEM? ARE THEY DEMONIZED AS BEING SOCIALIST?

RATIONING- HMOs AND OTHER PRIVATE INSURANCES RESTRICT CHOICES. CLIENTS DO NOT HAVE LONG STANDING RELATIONSHIPS WITH A PHYSICIAN DUE TO CHANGE IN COVERAGE. YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER YOUR PRIVATE INSURANCE, BECAUSE CORPORATE PROFITS ARE AHEAD OF PEOPLE'S HEALTH.

COULD YOU EVEN FATHOM WHAT WOULD BECOME OF THE ELDERLY IF MEDICARE WAS NOT IMPLEMENTED? BACK IN 1965, MEDICARE WAS OPPOSED JUST LIKE TODAY, YET IT TURNED OUT TO BE FINE.

IN CANADA

MEDICARE IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM.

SINGLE PAYER- THERE ARE ALSO PRIVATE INSURANCES TO CHOOSE FROM, BUT THE GOVERNMENT IS THE DOMINANT PURCHASER TO KEEP COSTS AFFORDABLE.

THERE ARE FIVE PRINCIPLES FOR CANADA'S SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM.

1) PUBLICLY ADMITTED TO AVOID PROFITEERING AND INCREASE COSTS FOR PROFIT

2) COMPREHENSIVE- ALL MEDICALLY NECESSARY ARE COVERED

3) UNIVERSAL- SO EVERYONE WILL BE COVERED

4) PORTABLE- PEOPLE CAN MOVE FROM JOB TO JOB OR CITY TO CITY WITHOUT LOSING THEIR INSURANCE

5) ACCESSIBLE - PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE TO GO TOO FAR TO RECEIVE HEALTH CARE

IN CONTRAST TO THE U.S.

GOVERNMENT PROVIDES HEALTH INSURANCE ONLY FOR THE POOR, CITIZENS OVER 65, AND PEOPLE WHO ARE DISABLED (MEDICAID/MEDICARE)

MANY EMPLOYERS DO NOT PROVIDE HEALTH CARE, OR EMPLOYERS ARE FORCED TO PAY FOR HUGE PREMIUMS THAT THEY THEMSELVES CANNOT AFFORD

MANY PEOPLE REFINANCED OR LOSE THEIR HOMES DUE TO AN ILLNESS

THIS NATION PUT CORPORATIONS OVER THE PEOPLES INTEREST, UNLIKE CANADA,

IN OTHER COUNTRIES, YOU DO NOT SEE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WITHOUT HEALTH INSURANCE

MILLIONS ARE SCARED OF LOSING THEIR INSURANCE IF THEY GET SICK

PEOPLE CANNOT GET COVERAGE DUE TO PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS

BANKRUPTCIES DUE TO RISE IN HEALTH CARE COSTS

BUSINESSESS STRUGGLING TO PAY HEALTH CARE EMPLOYEES

ANOTHER THING, OTHER NATIONS DO NOT USE SCARED TACTICS AND LIES TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEIR ELDERLY FOR POLITICAL GAIN. THE ELDERLY ARE HIGHLY RESPECTED.

THOSE WHO WERE SHOUTING, TAKE THE GOVERNMENT AWAY FROM MY MEDICARE, DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT IS A GOVERNMENT PROGRAM.

THE DRUGS ARE VERY MUCH AFFORDABLE IN CANADA. MOST AMERICANS GO TO THERE TO BUY DRUGS, EVEN IN MEXICO AND CUBA. WHY IS THAT?

YES, IN CANADA THERE IS WAITING TIME JUST LIKE AMERICA, BASED ON WHAT IT IS AND THE CONDITION. FOR EXAMPLE, AN MRI/CT SCAN IS 2 WEEKS.

WAITING IS PRIORITIZED BY THE PATIENT'S CONDITION AND ACCORDING TO ITS URGENCY.

URGENT PATIENTS RECEIVES IMMEDIATE ACCESS AND THE LEAST URGENT WAITING TIME.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, THEY HAVE PEACE OF MIND, KNOWING THEIR HEALTH IS TAKEN CARE OF WITHOUT GETTING A BILL. 75% OF CANADIANS ARE HAPPY WITH THE SYSTEM.

THOUGH THIS IS A HEALTHY DISCUSSION, I DO NOT WANT TO CREATE ANY TENSION OR ANGER, DUE TO SOME OF ITS CONTENT. AS ADULTS WE MUST AGREE TO DISAGREE. THANK YOU

Specializes in Med-Surg, Critical Care, Public Health.
fear of change, fear of the unknown and above all, fear of losing more money to a system that appears to want to take more and give back less in today's environment will induce reactions like this. I think town hall gatherings should be not to dictate what people will have but rather to present scenarios where the public are able to debate and discuss. Trying to bring about a shift in how traditional health care has been delivered during this time of fragile economies and enormous financial insecurity is an enormous challenge. People all over the world in nationalised health care don't understand its financial model. Why should americans feel differently? The overall idea of change for improvement of delivery to the nation is a laudable idea and one, if done well and with considerable knowledge, competence and forethought could spearhead a new paradigm of health care. If one looks at history, guns, threats and snipers are all ways that people react when they don't like, don't trust or feel threatened. This president has entered a period fraught with losses, insecurity, financial ruin and just about the most negative scenario a leader could inherit after fighting the battle to succeed.. There are no immediate answers and just as it took at least 8 years or more for the financial bubble to burst, so will it take time to stabilise. Healthcare nevertheless, needs urgent change because of the risks to our future generations. If people don't have the means to pay for the care they feel they deserve, what is the alternative in a nation which has traditionally led the first world, especially when there appear to be less supporting pillars? Nurses must be part of this change, we are uniquely positioned in so many ways and yet, our voices, expertise and knowledge is still being dismissed. I don't think that power makers can afford that position any longer.

i believe nurses should be the leaders in health care reform. We know more about the system than any other profession. Let us put our minds together and present our ideas to the whit house. What do you think.

Specializes in Back ground in Corrections and General n.

In America any time the Goverment gets involved in the day to day life of the individual it gets broken.

The social security system is broke Medicare and medicaid are broke.

If the government reimbursed the way it was suppose to we wouldn't have this problem.

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Specializes in Back ground in Corrections and General n.

In America any time the Goverment gets involved in the day to day life of the individual it gets broken.

The social security system is broke Medicare and Medicaid are broke.

If the government reimbursed the way it was suppose to for Medicare and Medicaide we wouldn't have this problem.

Who's going to pay for it?

We have 7 TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT. That number is so big my brain hurts when I think about it.

Remmeber sooner not later our good President and his buddies in congress are going to raise our taxs.

On a tight bugget who can aford another 10 or 20 percent taken out of what they give you every two week.

I know I can't.

Yea I know tax the rich they can afford it.

Can they?

They pay most of the taxes now,and they fund our hospital, our fire departments, first aid squads,our libaries...

Promote reasonalbe tort reform so Doctors won't be afraid to pratice. Every patient gets the million dollar work up so the Doctor won't get sued.

Keep the Government out of the health insurance buinness.

Specializes in Critical Care.

Anyone against "socialized" anything should be fighting to disband our socialized military, and police, and interstate highway system, and mail service as well.

I wonder how much more efficient a free-market military could be. Competition is good, right?

Specializes in Psych, Informatics, Biostatistics.

Socialism, baaaaddd; Capitalism, good. In America, anytime anything is for the benefit of the common man it is called socialism and anytime it is for the rich elite it is capitalism. Always reminds me of "Animal Farm." Most of us being the sheep.

Specializes in RN, BSN, CHDN.

Ok who has actually accessed the health care in this country, for a chronic illness???

I have and I wait in line for hours at Doctors surgeries, if I go for a blood draw I wait in line sometimes for 1 1/2 hours.

If I want to book to see a specialist it is a 3 week appt wait.

I have insurance I do not have free medical care yet I wait, and I wait.

So all these people who say if we get socialised medicine we will wait in line???

We already wait in line, and we pay dearly for the honor.

I once waited 3 hours in a waiting room to see a back specialist and I was paying him in full for his care out of my own pocket $15000, I was in a car accident so insurance doesnt cover this.

Specializes in RN, BSN, CHDN.
i believe nurses should be the leaders in health care reform. We know more about the system than any other profession. Let us put our minds together and present our ideas to the whit house. What do you think.

I couldnt agree more I firmly believe that it will be nurses in the future who shape the health care delivery, after we are the ones who do the caring. The doctors prescribe the care but they are fewer and dont actually know how to nurse.

Anyone against "socialized" anything should be fighting to disband our socialized military, and police, and interstate highway system, and mail service as well.

I wonder how much more efficient a free-market military could be. Competition is good, right?

We've actually seen quite a bit of how a free-market military would work -- the Shrub administration privatized and outsourced the military to a degree never before imagined. In Iraq and Afghanistan, we've been paying private contractors several times what we used to pay members of the US military to do the same jobs ...

Two words -- "Blackwater" and "Halliburton." Money well spent, right?