I am wondering if there are any nurses out there who either work in a country with socialized medicine or nurses here in the US who are savy in the area of socialized medicine. I have to wonder just exactly how I personally would be effected if Obama got through a plan for socialized medicine. Personally yes I realize I would have the coverage to see my doc, get my scripts, etc. But how would it effect me as a nurse? All of us nurses? How do nurses get paid? Would they all work for the government then? Would that make out pay better, worse or would we see little change?
I got thinking about this after I watched the movie SICKO over the weekend. Not sure if anyone has seen it.....take a couple hours and watch it. Its very interesting. Makes me want to move to France!!! LOL
Anyways after watching it I started wondering what kind of pay the nurses get in this kind of system compared with how we do things now.
I was hoping there would be some people who are more knowledgeable about this stuff then me.
We do have posters from China on AN. :) I think we have some folks from Cuba too. Are they posting in this thread? Haven't seen them....but they're around.
Also Nurse working shifts gets enhancments (differnitals) on nights from 8pm-7.30am, saturdays time 1/3, sundays time 2/3s, and for having less than 11hours off between shitfs as well and bank holidays. can really top up a pay packet.
Specializes in Psych,Peds,PNICU,medsurg,Cardiopulmonary.
Helping to pay for another person's health and best interest...Who cares about "me"...We are now bailing out everyone and everything from banks and businesses why shouldn't I have to pay for other people's healthcare...wait I already do, every time someone comes in to the emergency room and doesn't have insurance...it is getting to the point that everyone has their hand stuck out waiting for something that they feel they are entitled to and haven't earned. The sense of entitlement is getting to be a bit much.
Specializes in Flight Nurse, Pedi CICU, IR, Adult CTICU.
We do have posters from China on AN. :) I think we have some folks from Cuba too. Are they posting in this thread? Haven't seen them....but they're around.
I would love to exchange posts and messages from nurse colleagues currently living in China and Cuba.
Especially Cuba...God branded this soul Carribean...:clpty:
Freedom of speech does not indicate a democracy anymore than Christianity indicates morality. While Americans may elect their government, the government does not act in the best interest of all Americans. It is run by corporations and acts in their best interest. If some Americans feel they deserve to deny others basic needs like housing and healthcare, that is either corrupt, immoral or just plain silly and soulless.
Helping to pay for another person's health and best interest...Who cares about "me"...We are now bailing out everyone and everything from banks and businesses why shouldn't I have to pay for other people's healthcare...wait I already do, every time someone comes in to the emergency room and doesn't have insurance...it is getting to the point that everyone has their hand stuck out waiting for something that they feel they are entitled to and haven't earned. The sense of entitlement is getting to be a bit much.
So I take it that it upsets you to pay taxes which go to support your local fire and police stations?
Specializes in Psych,Peds,PNICU,medsurg,Cardiopulmonary.
No I am not saying that I am upset about my taxes being used to support local fire and police stations where did that come from?... what I am saying is that this country used to be about being anything that you want to be but that took sacrifice and hard work. There are so many "rules and regulations" as it is and with a "nationalized healthcare system they are only going to increase. Everyone talks about reimbursement and the conditions of reimbursement. Do you think that if a hospital is not being reimbursed for care given that it is not going to reflect negatively upon nurses and in turn on our pay? According to chigap I am being "corrupt, immoral or just plain silly and soulless" because I want to deny basic rights like housing and healthcare and that offends me. I am talking about accountability... something that I believe is integral to our profession. All I am saying is even though I work in a hospital I pay a premium for my healthcare insurance yet there are others that think they are entitled to everything that is mine and that it is a basic right!? I didn't buy the biggest house on the block and expect someone else to pay for it. My point is where does it stop???
Specializes in NICU, PICU, PCVICU and peds oncology.
No I am not saying that I am upset about my taxes being used to support local fire and police stations where did that come from?...
Universal health care can be likened to fire and police protection so that's where the comment came from. Everyone pays for those protections through their taxes whether or not they ever need them. Universal health care would be the same sort of protection, although the likelihood of the average person needing health care is much higher than that of fire or police services.
what I am saying is that this country used to be about being anything that you want to be but that took sacrifice and hard work. There are so many "rules and regulations" as it is and with a "nationalized healthcare system they are only going to increase.
More likely to decrease when there are fewer private enterprises carving out their profits for their dividend-holders. There will be rules, of course, but they'll be different rules that ensure universality rather than who's covering what.
Everyone talks about reimbursement and the conditions of reimbursement. Do you think that if a hospital is not being reimbursed for care given that it is not going to reflect negatively upon nurses and in turn on our pay?
That's just the thing. Essential care would be covered and fully reimbursed. Care that wouldn't be covered would be the cosmetic procedures like breast augmentation, nose bobbing, full-body CT scans "just for a look-see", basically the frills. A few years ago I had several gyne diagnostics done, followed by a laparoscopic hysterectomy. The only things I paid for were parking and my discharge analgesic scripts. 20 years ago my son had a liver transplant after 3 1/2 years of chemotherapy for a blood disorder. Our out-of-pocket expenses then? Lost income while he was in hospital. Our universal health plan covers his immunosuppressant therapy to this day. The nurses who cared for us are paid well and have a nice quality of life. If you look past the knee-jerk distasteful reaction to universal health care, you might find out that it isn't a product of the axis of evil at all.
Specializes in Flight Nurse, Pedi CICU, IR, Adult CTICU.
UHC can be compared to police in fire services, but it must be put in perspective.
Both security and fire services survive because of a much higher investment of private and personal capital, not because they happen to receive tax funds as well.
The police and fire model would not work in healthcare unless 70% of all healthcare providers were volunteers, and 2/3 of the 'paid' providers were private employees working for private agencies.
Specializes in Flight Nurse, Pedi CICU, IR, Adult CTICU.
freedom of speech does not indicate a democracy anymore than christianity indicates morality.
this is an alarming statement, and i'm not going to personally disagree, but every institution in the world dedicated to the study and promotion of democracy, from the international covenant on human and civil rights to the very first amendment of the us constitution, will vehemently disagree with you with strong arguments at great length.
what i would personally point out is that the lack of free speech is a prime indicator of a lack of democracy, and that is the point.
while americans may elect their government, the government does not act in the best interest of all americans. it is run by corporations and acts in their best interest. if some americans feel they deserve to deny others basic needs like housing and healthcare, that is either corrupt, immoral or just plain silly and soulless.
there is a difference between a perfect gov't and a perfect democracy; they are not the same thing. even in the perfect democracy, the gov't can not always be expected to act in the best interest of all it's voters and citizens, but what follows is the function of a democracy; they vote in someone else.
this is not happening in cuba or china. i sincerely hope the difference is not blurry.
and there is a big difference between denying someone basic needs, and providing it for them at great cost to yourself...therefore, the accusations of corruption, immorality, silliness, and soul-lessness are misapplied.
no one bought me a gun or a vacation (pursuit of happiness), but i didn't consider myself to have been denied those rights just because i had to use my own money to buy them...for my own protection, preservation, and well-being.
i hope i was able to adequately show the difference.
UHC can be compared to police in fire services, but it must be put in perspective.
Both security and fire services survive because of a much higher investment of private and personal capital, not because they happen to receive tax funds as well.
The police and fire model would not work in healthcare unless 70% of all healthcare providers were volunteers, and 2/3 of the 'paid' providers were private employees working for private agencies.
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We do have posters from China on AN. :) I think we have some folks from Cuba too. Are they posting in this thread? Haven't seen them....but they're around.