Socialized medicine and nurses pay...

[RochesterRN-BSN]

I am wondering if there are any nurses out there who either work in a country with socialized medicine or nurses here in the US who are savy in the area of socialized medicine. I have to wonder just exactly how I personally would be effected if Obama got through a plan for socialized medicine. Personally yes I realize I would have the coverage to see my doc, get my scripts, etc. But how would it effect me as a nurse? All of us nurses? How do nurses get paid? Would they all work for the government then? Would that make out pay better, worse or would we see little change?

I got thinking about this after I watched the movie SICKO over the weekend. Not sure if anyone has seen it.....take a couple hours and watch it. Its very interesting. Makes me want to move to France!!! LOL

Anyways after watching it I started wondering what kind of pay the nurses get in this kind of system compared with how we do things now.

I was hoping there would be some people who are more knowledgeable about this stuff then me.

[Honnête et Sérieux]

i find it interesting you should say that, because you very shortly after said this:

what's going on there? you trust cancer mortality rates as measured by the us but not other benchmarks measured by other countries? help me understand here.

no, that is not how i operate. i was pointing out the inconsistency of using the who/un rankings to try and support one point, and the resort to anecdotal-type qualifiers to support another, even when it contradicts their previous qualifiers.

such as? are you saying that healthcare is not intrinsically tied to a great deal of those other factors?

such as...demographics; statistics are impacted by ethnic groups that have lower or higher rates of certain conditions. healthcare system can't change that. violence...healthcare can't change that. car crashes...healthcare can't change that. this is not the exhausted list of factors.

hey i said i liked it. it's already a vast improvement over what we are doing here. wouldn't you agree?

nope, but it's the only uhc system i can think of so far that i would be willing to support.

can i ask where you are getting that information?

what information? are you saying that people are paying less than $700 q3 months for car payment, insurance, maintenance, and gas.

shrug. people who really want to be doctors will be doctors. same with nurses, policemen, pilots etc. sure, some won't choose a career path because it won't pay what they want, but i believe that it's a drop in the bucket. it's pretty silly to expect that someone would want to be a doctor, but after doing all the research say "gosh, you know without that extra 20k a year it just isn't worth it." i'm not sure someone like that would have been a doctor anyway. after all, it's hard to make a lot of money in this country unless you run your own business, and most people are not cut out for that (based on how many small business fail or stagnate)

well, in a completely altruistic world, it might be that simple, but the reality is that canada is facing a shortage of physicians. and after attending a lecture at a medical school where the "real patch adams" scolded the audience of primarily medical students for pursuing medicine for material gain, i believe that the financial payoff is a motivator for more than a few. the students were not shy in responding to "patch" that they are making significant sacrifices to be there, and expect to make more sacrifices before they reach the terminal end of their training...and they expect to be compensated for their efforts.

i suspect, additionally, that fewer people will be willing to expose themselves to our tort system for a reduced paycheck.