Can anyone tell me. "What happened to all the nursing jobs." For the last few years all you read was that there will be a nursing shortage till, at least 2020. That getting a nursing job was as easy as shooting fish in a barrel. Articles were saying that even in a recession nursing would be immune because people still need healthcare.
So, what happened. Is it really the economy? Have all the vacancies been filled? What about the huge bonuses nurses were getting to sign with a hospital? Some of my own relatives got these bonuses so I know they were real. Now some of them are seeing their hours and benefits cut. Besides the recession (which is a big thing) are there other factors involved?
The nursing profession is starting to remind me of when they encouraged everyone to become programmers...and then the outsourcing began. You can't really outsource nursing, but it's the same situation. Encourage young people in droves to go into a profession, but then a few short years later the field dries up. It's a shame, really.
Missouri - specifically southeast. I know there are needs in several LTCs for LPNs. RNS & LPNs are needed in several of the area's hospitals including - Piggott, Hayti, Kennett and Poplar Bluff. I would also look into Memphis, TN, Paragould, AR, and Jonesboro, AR - hospitals in these areas often have shortages as well. Look into Arkansas, Tennessee and Misouri in general. I know it's not the hub of culture and adventure in the world, but getting some experience will get you started at least.
We have several nursing schools in the area, but RN jobs stay open a long time as many schools are LPN, and the RN schools are closer to Blytheville and Poplar Bluff - so most of their graduates go there.
Please consider these areas, the shortage isn't over, maybe it's just relocated.
I'll be graduating in two years and I was really nervous reading about new grads not being able to find jobs. However, it seems they all find something within six months, usually three to four though. It may not be their ideal job, but after a year they could easily get a hospital job if that's not what they're doing already. I don't see the nursing market any worse off than any other job markets. It took months for my dh to find a job when he was laid off. He was switching industries since his basically crashed for good, but it still took about four months to find something he liked better once he got experience in that field. I think the expectation of walking right into your dream job right after graduation is unrealistic. It may have happened for a little while, but coming from another industry, graduation is just the beginning of a career ladder that you have to climb.
I am so glad I read these posts. I am 46 and I will graduate in spring of 2012, though I do not consider myself old, I wonder if the people hiring me will. I am single with no children, and I would be willing to relocate and the funny thing is I would love to relocate to a rural area where everyone knows everyone, it will be a change of pace from the busy city life here in south florida. I hope by the time I graduate things will have changed. I figured after graduation I will take my boards within 90 days and the hunt will begin without quitting the full time job I have held for 24 years so far. I guess not having children helps me a little in moving and so is the willingness, though as scary as it may seem being in a new place without family. I will be willing to work any floor, and on M/S you will get so much experience so bring it on, whatever it takes to get me in the door.
I am one of those that went into nursing because I like the field having been in the medical field for over twenty years and until now I have been able to afford going into nursing school without loans, but that means no savings at all, so for the last two years I may just do loans and save for that rainy day when I will have to move out of state.
For those who have already graduated, Orlando is building I think two new hospitals, that area is growing and there is a need for healthcare there so look that up and say hi to Mickey for me.
GOOD LUCK to all of you! We have to keep thinking positive that things WILL get better.
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What Has happened To Nursing Jobs??
Perhaps this phenomena represents part of a larger one which no one seems to be able to address; Some suggestions are
1. Global recession - caused by inexorbitant greed, total lack of accountability, a boldness to flaunt the rules in the faces of taxpayers and again, no incompetence or thought of cause and effect - as along as the same persons get fat bonuses when they should be in jail.
2. Health care- again, financial approach with the never ending coercion, coaptation of nursing where we sit back and take it. Who creates the supply and demand, it is not nursing, but the very same financially corrupt wizards who follow the paths of Point. no. 1. a bold lack of accountability.
3. The fact that nursing is the proverbial whipping post. Are there a shortage of medical jobs or of doctors - yes, perhaps in isolated regions but in general, the anwer is no. It is so easy to fire nurses, to push us around and to be victims of really bad managment and flagrant incompetence. The professional is almost generically muzzled, we are seemingly unable to control our own future. Yet, in times of increasing mortablity, new disease / epidemics etc. there are not enough nurses.
4. Experienced Nurses as severely accountable professionals and are not disposable commodities nor are they easy to find. The real question remains as to whether nurses will continue to accept such backwards and appalling conditions or become the solution, one where they sit at the top without ignoring those fellow professionals who look up to them for inspiration, the right decision and solid support.
There are Jobs out there the problem is that most of those jobs are in very rural areas or dangerous areas , or in General Places where the Nurse shortage is a direct cause of high skilled people not wanting to live in the area. for sure if you looking for a job in Los Angeles , San Francisco , New York city and so on it will be very difficult since every one wants to live on cities and in these there are more skilled people than open jobs at. I personally will like to live on a rural area and or native american community in the future since I am tired of city life , this put me at ease since I will Have a greater chance to get a job after becoming a nurse and hopefully getting a MSN as well .
The only Job that is relocation proof and maybe not 100% is to be a parent :)
what is happening is that the plan worked. All the media hype about the nursing shortage has resulted in an over saturation of new nurses in the workforce, allowing employers to have a large pool of new workers to choose from. Now they can lay off long term employees close to retirement that have earned higher salaries to hire those with a few years experience at lower salaries. In a tighter job market they can hire for lower salaries, give fewer benefits, and expect staff to carrier heavier loads and smile because "at least they have a job". Unemployeed nurses seeking jobs will accept lower salaries forcing down the pay scales across the board. Yes, just like what they did with programmers.
Now they can lay off long term employees close to retirement that have earned higher salaries to hire those with a few years experience at lower salaries.
Can they really do this? In my state, workers that are laid off have recall rights; in other words, if you're laid off, when that employer hires again for the same job, you have a right to that job. And if employers really could do this, wouldn't new grads be hired rather than forced to remain unemployed or look for work in another field?
lets not forget the expense for hiring new grads. it costs around 100,000 to train a new grad nurse and get them up to speed to perform nursing duties on there own for many places.
You know, I keep hearing this, but I just don't see it based on my personal experience (and I'm experienced with cost accounting, burdening of labor rates, marginal efficiency ratings, opportunity costs of inefficiency, etc).
Have you actually read a research report backed up with hard data that provides that number?
I am so glad I read these posts. I am 46 and I will graduate in spring of 2012, though I do not consider myself old, I wonder if the people hiring me will. I am single with no children, and I would be willing to relocate and the funny thing is I would love to relocate to a rural area where everyone knows everyone, it will be a change of pace from the busy city life here in south florida. I hope by the time I graduate things will have changed. I figured after graduation I will take my boards within 90 days and the hunt will begin without quitting the full time job I have held for 24 years so far. I guess not having children helps me a little in moving and so is the willingness, though as scary as it may seem being in a new place without family. I will be willing to work any floor, and on M/S you will get so much experience so bring it on, whatever it takes to get me in the door.
I am one of those that went into nursing because I like the field having been in the medical field for over twenty years and until now I have been able to afford going into nursing school without loans, but that means no savings at all, so for the last two years I may just do loans and save for that rainy day when I will have to move out of state.
For those who have already graduated, Orlando is building I think two new hospitals, that area is growing and there is a need for healthcare there so look that up and say hi to Mickey for me.
GOOD LUCK to all of you! We have to keep thinking positive that things WILL get better.
I was 45 out of the gate and my age didn't seem to be an impediment though who really knows why I wasn't getting hired. Since you're open to the idea of relocating to a rural area you may have better luck. It was a rural hospital that finally gave me my chance... I'm just having to put a ton of miles on my car.
Is that right? Companies are encouraging their employees to have surgeries out of the States? What the heck is going on????? That is the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time!!! To save a few bucks, people's lives are being jeopardized? CRAAAAAZZZZYYYY!!!!!
Why do you presume that the complication rates in these boutique hospitals which cater to foreigners is any worse than in our US hospitals?
In many cases, I'd guess that they're actually much less given that patients generally have private rooms and often, private nurses... and that the physicians generally spend more time with patients.
You know, I keep hearing this, but I just don't see it based on my personal experience (and I'm experienced with cost accounting, burdening of labor rates, marginal efficiency ratings, opportunity costs of inefficiency, etc).
Have you actually read a research report backed up with hard data that provides that number?
The $100k figure is the highest end of the range of figures one sees, but we're certainly not talking pocket change in any case. Here are a few references I was able to find quickly (and there is lots more literature out there).
"In 2004, Lindy and Reiter reported that the cost to orient 42 new graduates to a hospital was $611,455, or $14,558 each. However, this cost did not include expenses related to turnover. Beecroft et al reported that the cost of replacing an RN is between 75% and 125% of the RN's annual salary because of costs related to recruitment, overtime compensation to ensure coverage, orientation of replacement employees, lost productivity, and customer satisfaction. Because 20% of the 42 new graduates in the Lindy and Reiter study were not retained, the estimated cost to orient each of these 42 new graduates was between $39,000 and $65,000."
"The hospital did a study 3 or 4 years ago and came up with $35K-$38K to orient a new grad nurse. That figure has probably changed or gone up since then. She has seen figures of $50K-$90K for all bed size hospitals in orienting these nurses ...
There is literature out there showing cost of turning over a new grad ranges from $35,000 to $65,000. ... From the research I did on my own, the ranges vary anywhere from: $20K -$100K."
"Within the first year of employment, turnover of new graduate nurses ranges from 35% to 60%. This turnover results in a significant cost to the hospital and to the unit that has invested heavily in the individual new graduate. A nurse with less than 1 year of tenure represents the loss of approximately $40,000 in hiring and orientation costs."
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Missouri - specifically southeast. I know there are needs in several LTCs for LPNs. RNS & LPNs are needed in several of the area's hospitals including - Piggott, Hayti, Kennett and Poplar Bluff. I would also look into Memphis, TN, Paragould, AR, and Jonesboro, AR - hospitals in these areas often have shortages as well. Look into Arkansas, Tennessee and Misouri in general. I know it's not the hub of culture and adventure in the world, but getting some experience will get you started at least.
We have several nursing schools in the area, but RN jobs stay open a long time as many schools are LPN, and the RN schools are closer to Blytheville and Poplar Bluff - so most of their graduates go there.
Please consider these areas, the shortage isn't over, maybe it's just relocated.