Smart Nurse vs. Dumb Pharmacy, Round One. DING! | Life of a Nurse

In the midst of a Friday swing shift (otherwise known in the hospital industry as "Boot 'Em Out to the Nursing Homes Day"), a lone nurse responsible for 42 residents who has absolutely nothing better to do with her time than answer the telephone.......answers the telephone. It's the pharmacy from Hell, and some numbskull is asking a question about a medication ordered for the patient in 35C. Unfortunately for all concerned, it's the fifth person to call within a twenty-minute period and ask the same question about the same med for the same patient. Nurses General Nursing Article

Not only is it the day hospitals discharge frail elderly patients to the nursing homes en masse, but it seems that they do it in such a way as to maximize the inconvenience for both the new resident and the LTC staff. I mean, it can't be just a coincidence that a) new admissions arrive around 1600, when we have only half the staff that was available at noon and are getting folks ready for the dinner meal; b) they never come with a full set of orders, so the nurse has to try to pin down a physician who's already fled the office for the weekend; and c) no administrative staff are in-house to help with admissions because THEY'VE gone home for the weekend as well.

Last Friday was probably one of the five worst I've ever worked. It's common for the skilled wing to get admissions on a Friday, but my luck being what it is, I was working the LTC sections and both scheduled admissions were on my side of the building. Okay, fine, so it would be a long night, but I'm so grateful to be working at all these days that I told the DNS "oh, what the heck, I'll deal with it".

That was, of course, when everything hit the fan. First, one of my dialysis patients came home with a BP of 60/38. Then the first admit came in---a thirty-six-year-old kid in a persistent vegetative state with G-tube, catheter, trach, the whole works---and it took four of us just to get his 300 pounds into the bed. His tube-feeding set didn't work with our equipment, so I had to hunt down some different pumps and tubing sets and experiment with them to figure out which went with which. The phone rang; it was our house pharmacy with a question about a resident who'd just gotten an order for Percocet and had a supposed allergy to oxycodone. So I had to stop what I was doing and go ask the resident, who emphatically denied ever being allergic to the drug and told me to make sure her primary care doc took it off her medical record. The pharmacy would not send the Percocet without confirmation from the doctor, however, and since he was (of course) out of town till Monday, she was basically SOL.

I told the resident not to worry, that's what we had an E-kit for, and tried calling the surgeon who ordered it in the first place; he too was gone (what do MDs do---gather together in one big happy group on the golf course on Friday afternoon and get so whammered that they can't be held responsible for anything that happens between then and 0800 Monday morning?!). I had my hand on the phone, getting ready to call the pharmacy back, when they called me again. Same med, same patient, different caller. I told the woman on the other end what I'd found out, and hung up.

Second admission came in, a walkie-talkie on a 5-day hospice respite. These short-stay residents require just as much paperwork as the permanent ones, and worse, I had to write out all seven of his med sheets by hand because Medical Records had, like everyone else on the planet, gotten the heck out of Dodge while the gettin' was good. Note that I still didn't have the first guy's tube feeding stuff together yet, and as it was almost dinnertime, there were a dozen fingersticks and insulins to be done. The phone rang and I ignored it, only to hear myself being paged overhead yet again: "Marla, XYZ Pharmacy on line 1. Marla, line 1". I picked up---"Hi, this is Hmglmph from XYZ Pharmacy (anyone else ever notice that most of these folks mumble their names?). I need to ask you about Mrs. Ouchmore's new order for Percocet....."

"I still haven't heard from the doctor," I told Hmglmph, "and I can't get hold of her surgeon either. The patient is alert and oriented, she's a retired nurse and knows what she is and isn't allergic to."

"Well, we can't send the Percocet until we know for sure from the doctor that she's not allergic to it," Hmglmph said, a hint of triumph in her voice.

It was on the tip of my tongue to say that I KNEW that, but trying to locate an MD on a Friday night is about as easy as finding a goldfish in the ocean. I said, "Do what you have to.....I'll just use what's in the E-kit."

I'd no sooner gotten off the phone with Hmglmph than a fourth call came from XYZ Pharmacy. This one identified herself as "Foozitz", and yep, you guessed it: she wanted to know if I knew that Mrs. Ouchmore's profile listed an allergy to oxycodone. Just then, a crash came from the general direction of the assisted dining room and I let go of the phone and ran to see what (or who) was on the floor. Luckily, it was only a dinner tray and not a resident, so I went back to the phone---by now, I was running half an hour behind with my insulins---to finish my conversation with Foozitz.

I managed to get halfway back to my other wing before the phone rang yet again. "If that's XYZ, I'm going to scream," I said through gritted teeth to the aide who was dashing back and forth, trying to answer calls on a hall that was suddenly lit up like a Christmas tree. Sure enough, it was the FIFTH call from XYZ, from yet a fifth person, asking the same question about the same drug and the same patient.

That's when I lost my famous cool and screamed. Well, I didn't really scream, but I did make a rather loud "GRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!" sound, and snatched the phone from its cradle.

"Do you people ever talk to each other?!" I seethed. "This is the fifth time I've talked to somebody from XYZ about the same medication and the same patient. Don't you ever communicate?"

"Excuse me?" said some young-sounding girl (I think her name was something like 'Zoojaflobbets').

"You heard me. You people have called five times in the past twenty minutes about Mrs. Ouchmore and the Percocet order I faxed you this afternoon. I don't have time to deal with all these calls."

Zoojaflobbets seemed a trifle offended. "Well, sometimes we have someone from billing call about meds, sometimes it's someone from processing---we have different departments."

I couldn't believe it. "BILLING?" I yelped. "Are you serious??!" I was outraged that one or more of those calls had been made by someone who dealt only with the money end of things. "I don't give a rip about who pays for what," I went on. "I'm a nurse, I'm responsible for 40+ people, I've got admits coming in the door and a resident whose BP is in the toilet, I've got a zillion blood sugars to check, and you people keep calling and interrupting me every 3 1/2 minutes to ask me the same thing over and over. I don't have time to play around on the phone just because you all can't pull your crap together enough to fill a simple order."

I hung up a little more forcefully than usual, feeling only the slightest twinge of regret for dumping on someone because I was having a bad day. I usually go out of my way to be courteous, even to manic family members and people who try my patience like XYZ Pharmacy was doing that night. But five calls about a single, simple Percocet order?? It's bad enough that they don't group their questions about different patients and get everything straightened out in one shot, but I can understand that. Five calls about one order are four too many, IMHO.

Make it SIX calls. I'd been off the phone for a grand total of 90 seconds or so when the overhead pager announced another call for me from XYZ. This time it was the pharmacy supervisor---Zoojaflobbets had apparently run to her and complained about our little chat---and it was clear from Jwanda's tone that she believed she was dealing with a stupid country nurse who needed some "ed-ja-ma-ca-tion" on order clarifications.

Well, I may be country, but I'm not stupid, nor am I particularly fond of Portlanders who talk down to us bumpkins because they can. I listened politely for about fifteen seconds, voiced my agreement with the need to clarify orders........and then launched into a description of my day and the reasons why Jwanda's staff needed to figure out who was working on what before they called a facility. I also pointed out that pharmacists, like nurses, hold state licensure and are thus qualified to call a physician themselves if they have a question about an order; that's what our local pharmacists do, and I've worked with other LTC pharmacies that will do this as well.

Not XYZ, I found out. "Oh, we don't have the time for that," she replied.

It was tempting to ask her why they had the time to call a facility half-a-dozen times in less than 30 minutes, or just what she thought I was doing (eating bonbons? filing my nails?). But after I ever-so-gently dropped the phone---from a height of oh, about three feet---the calls stopped, and while the issue never got resolved that evening, the resident did receive her Percocet from our house narcotics supply, and had no adverse reactions whatsoever.

The next afternoon, I had to call the pharmacy for a new E-box---we'd used up all the Percocet---but the pharmacist I spoke to this time obviously had more than a few brain cells to rub together (plus some compassion for both Mrs. Ouchmore and the hardworking nurse taking care of her). Actually, "Lindy's" attitude was downright refreshing: "The patient's doing OK on the Percocet?" she asked me. "She's taken it four times now and there've been no reactions? That's good....I'll fill the order and you'll have it by tonight."

Ding-ding-ding, we have a winner!! Needless to say, I thanked Lindy profusely.......and I'm happy to report that her word was as good as her enunciation: before the noc shift came on, I had a full card of Percocet for Mrs. Ouchmore AND a refueled narc box locked in the med room.

Sometimes, as a nurse, you find yourself feeling absurdly grateful for the darnedest things. Like finding all the equipment you need in one place. Solving a sticky patient problem even the doctors and specialists couldn't puzzle out. Seeing people actually do what they say they're going to do. And NOT having to work this coming Friday night.:D

Specializes in Homecare, Public Health.

I enjoyed this read and I can totally relate! and even smile through the frustration.:)

You are a wonderful writer!! And also an awesome nurse. I swear, if you write a book of short nursing stories...I will buy it!

Hi. I can't read the whole post, but I got through the first paragraph or so, and the first thing that comes to mind is WHERE IS THE DOCTOR. The Nursing Home Doctor to write orders for the new admits....?

The only solution I can see is that there absolutely has to be a doctor there until all new admits are complete for the day. What if a patient comes in with a low BP like you indicate, what if the orders are not complete from the hospital, and don't nursing home doctors assess the patient and write their own orders?

There should be a policy that new patients cannot be accepted unless there is a DOCTOR THERE!

I think it would make your life a whole lot easier, and better care for the patient.

It actually sounds negligent that a doctor wouldn't be there. I think there needs to be new rules as far as transfers go....

Good luck.

Specializes in LTC & Teaching.

I've experienced so many errors from our pharmacy over the years that it is literally impossible to count. Of course when ever we make a medication error we're immediately written up and face the wrath of some pretty pathetic nurse managers.

I remember on one occasion I insisted that the nurse manager start holding pharmacy accountable for their countless mistakes, ranging from wrong dosages to wrong meds. This particular nurse manager actually did her job and got one of the most pathetic excuses from pharmacy I've ever heard. Pharmacy told her, "These mistakes are within statistical norm".

Now I've been nursing for over 14 years. I wonder how my regulatory body would react if my excuse of accidently killing a resident/patient by giving the wrong medication was within statistical norm?

I have proof that no good deed goes unpunished. I will never forget the day that I went to hang up an IV antibiotic for a LTC patient. I noticed that there was no dose for the next shift. So I decided to be a do gooder and let the pharmacy know right away so they could get it ready. The pharmacy was furious. They said they had already sent it and that the problem was me and I just couldn't find it. They demanded that I get another nurse to check the refrigerator too. She checked the refrigerator and couldn't find it either. So during the huge LTC morning pill pass I was interrupted 10 times to receive 10 angry hostile phone calls from pharmacy still insisting that they had already sent it.

Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.
cosmicsun said:
Hi. I can't read the whole post, but I got through the first paragraph or so, and the first thing that comes to mind is WHERE IS THE DOCTOR. The Nursing Home Doctor to write orders for the new admits....?

The only solution I can see is that there absolutely has to be a doctor there until all new admits are complete for the day. What if a patient comes in with a low BP like you indicate, what if the orders are not complete from the hospital, and don't nursing home doctors assess the patient and write their own orders?

There should be a policy that new patients cannot be accepted unless there is a DOCTOR THERE!

I think it would make your life a whole lot easier, and better care for the patient.

It actually sounds negligent that a doctor wouldn't be there. I think there needs to be new rules as far as transfers go....

Good luck.

That scenario sounds great in theory. In practice, however, I have never seen an MD admit a patient to any nursing home I've ever worked in, nor would I know what to do with the extra time and energy such an arrangement would provide. Why, I might be able to use the bathroom........take an actual meal break.......maybe even spend a few minutes with a resident who needs a little TLC. Wouldn't that be wonderful?? :heartbeat

Seriously, though, the reality in small facilities is that the medical director has his/her own practice elsewhere, making it impossible to be in the building much of the time.....let alone when an admission comes in. What we end up doing is chasing down the primary-care physician or the on-call, getting telephone orders and then obtaining whatever meds the resident needs from the emergency box (assuming, of course, that the E-box is stocked and that the med isn't something out of the ordinary). If for some reason we cannot access the PCP or the on-call won't give a T.O., we call the medical director as a last resort. All of which is very frustrating and time-consuming, but it's the only system we've got.

my sympathies to you....it's almost the same thing at where i work, but our pharmacy REQUIRES a signed script before they "allow" you the privilege of getting into the narcotic box.:hdvwl:

Specializes in M/S, ICU, ICP.

I absolutely have had days like that in LTC. I could visualize every single player, every phone call, and have made more than my share of Grrrrrrr's at pharmacists for the exact same thing. I loved it and enjoyed reading the post. Thank you for such a refreshing drink of sanity. LOL

Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.

Glad you enjoyed it. :D

Ironically, the single fly in the ointment at the new job I'm starting Monday is the pharmacy......actually, the pharmacy changeover[/i that we're doing in December. :eek: I've gone through this a couple times before, and it's a cluster-mug of the highest magnitude. What an unholy mess it is when every single person who handles physician orders must fax every single new order to BOTH pharmacies, so that the old one continues to provide the meds while the new one is completing each resident's profile. Then the old pharmacy comes in and takes your fax machines and med carts, and the consultants you're used to go away, and nobody seems to know just where the heck everything is or when it's going to arrive. AAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHH!!!

That said: I'm glad my new place is going with a new pharmacy. I may have had to turn down the job if we were continuing with......yep, you guessed it..........XYZ Pharmacy! :lol2:

Just a quick note to tell you how much I enjoyed the story. It's almost 3 in the morning and I needed that laugh before I could sleep. Thanks.

Blackcat99 said:
I have proof that no good deed goes unpunished. I will never forget the day that I went to hang up an IV antibiotic for a LTC patient. I noticed that there was no dose for the next shift. So I decided to be a do gooder and let the pharmacy know right away so they could get it ready. The pharmacy was furious. They said they had already sent it and that the problem was me and I just couldn't find it. They demanded that I get another nurse to check the refrigerator too. She checked the refrigerator and couldn't find it either. So during the huge LTC morning pill pass I was interrupted 10 times to receive 10 angry hostile phone calls from pharmacy still insisting that they had already sent it.

We must have the same pharmacy at my LTCF that you have. Moreover, the we-already-sent-it line often applies to other refills that we faxed days ago, but still haven't received, despite numerous phone calls to the pharmacy. We keep all of the receipts when we received meds from the deliveries, and there were times when I even mentioned that we don't have a receipt that shows that Reglan, for instance, was delivered, but the pharmacy still angrily insists that it was.

Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.
Plagueis said:
We must have the same pharmacy at my LTCF that you have. Moreover, the we-already-sent-it line often applies to other refills that we faxed days ago, but still haven't received, despite numerous phone calls to the pharmacy. We keep all of the receipts when we received meds from the deliveries, and there were times when I even mentioned that we don't have a receipt that shows that Reglan, for instance, was delivered, but the pharmacy still angrily insists that it was.

If I had a nickel for every time that's happened in my LTC career, I'd have been able to retire at 50.

One ALF where I worked had the misfortune to be hooked up with a pharmacy that wasn't too swift when it came to hiring their drivers. I mean, some of these people were tres creepy---they'd slip into the facility at three in the morning and scare the living daylights out of the caregivers. And we always suspected that there were a couple who scored five-finger discounts because every time they delivered meds, there was something missing (hint: it was never Cipro or Lasix).

Eventually my boss got tired of my complaints and 'fired' this pharmacy, but the new one was almost as bad, frequently claiming they'd sent some med or another when they hadn't. "Customer service" was a joke, and some of the time we literally had to call the head office and talk to the CEO to light a fire under their rear ends. Now, I know that processing bulk orders for thousands of people in many facilities can't be the simplest task, and I believe these pharmacies start out in the business world with the best of intentions. Trouble is, they get too big, too fast, and that's when everything goes in the dumper. JMHO.