I've been a nurse about a year and work on a psychiatric unit. I thought this specialty was for me but now I don't think so. In school I really enjoyed L&D and women's health, I even did my preceptorship in school in L&D. I feel I would enjoy working in one of those areas but as a male I would feel out of place. Should I switch units ? Would patients be uncomfortable with a male nurse in these settings?
kdkout said:Oncology nursing is not the same as labor and delivery, though. You don't do recurrent vag exams and stare at a patients vag, potentially for hours, while you wait for the baby to come out.
When I was an oncology patient, it was embarrassing when they changed my Hickman dressing and temporarily bared my breast. This does not even slightly compare to what you go through when having a baby, though.
Much of the time the labor patient will not get a choice about who they'll get as a nurse, so why make it harder? The patient will be meeting that nurse for the first time, and will have no idea if that male nurse is Mr Professional, and when you arrive at the hospital scared and in pain, that's not going to help
There's a million things to do in nursing. It doesn't have to be this.
So what about about a male gynecologist? What if you have a female GYN, she's on leave and you go into labor. All there are is male GYNs or staff to deliver the baby. Do you refuse? Sorry, baby is still coming. I had all male staff in the military except the CNM who delivered my children. I was never uncomfortable, as my mind was preoccupied. None of the staff were ever inappropriate. Would I have preferred females? I don't know, the staff were professional as is, so I never gave it much thought
His mention of oncology wasn't a comparison to L&D. Someone else mentioned that a man couldn't know about delivering a baby. He agreed but also stated that he'd never had cancer but was good at oncology, to note you don't have to experience what the patient is experiencing as a nurse to be good. Some female mom & baby nurses have 0 personal birthing experience, so should they be excluded as well?
You also stated that a male nurse could be abusive or sexually motivated. A female can as well. It boils down to professionalism and motivation
1 hour ago, DavidFR said:Patient centred care has its limits. Last week I had a very difficult patient who basically wanted my presence the whole night long, however I had my other patients to see to aswell, so she couldn't have her wish. We try to satisfy our patients' every wish but sometimes it's just not possible practically.
This Sunday I was on night duty with another male nurse and a male care assitant. No female patient objected. As male patients we often face an all female nursing workforce and we just have to deal with that.
The rare nurses who would abuse their position of power for sexual gratification need to be reported and dealt with by the law, but they are a tiny minority and that applies equally to doctors, police, lawyers etc. etc. etc. As a gay man I might feel more comfortable with gay nurses, doctors, police, lawyers, taxi drivers, whatever, but I'm not going to refuse straight professionals who do their job well. I'm not going to choose their race and I'm not going to choose their gender. I think that's just being reasonable.
I once looked after a male Congolese refugee who had been gang raped by other men. He was fine with a male nurse.
I have had elderly women, nuns and veiled muslims expose their bits for me because it's OK if it's medical. As somebody pointed out, male obstetricians and gynaecologists don't seem to be going out of business.
So all or some of that would justify requiring an ob/gyn patient to accept a male nurse regardless of their preference because the nurse really wants to provide the care?
Male OB/GYNS may not be going out of business but now they have some diverse peers to meet the needs of the community.
"So what about about a male gynecologist? "
Feel free to read my earlier comments on this issue.
1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:So all or some of that would justify requiring an ob/gyn patient to accept a male nurse regardless of their preference because the nurse really wants to provide the care?
Male OB/GYNS may not be going out of business but now they have some diverse peers to meet the needs of the community.
If a woman objected to me giving her intimate care of course I would go out of my way to find a female colleague, but in a 36 year long career in two different countries that's happened twice. On one occasion it was the woman's husband, not her, who actually objected.
My point is that this should NOT deter the OP from taking a post in L&D, just as male doctors are not deterred from becoming obstetricians or gynaecologists, and midwifery programs in Europe accept male applicants who go on to practise their profession. While a minority of women will object, and yes, I'd respect their wishes, empirical evidence shows us the majority don't, so I would say to the OP, pursue your chosen field and I'm sure that with respect and sensitivity, you'll be fine.
kdkout said:Oncology nursing is not the same as labor and delivery, though. You don't do recurrent vag exams and stare at a patients lady parts, potentially for hours, while you wait for the baby to come out.
I've posed urinary catheters in countless numbers of women and never had a problem. I've posed pessaries and deep lady partsl ovules - no problem. I do ECGs on young women and access their port-a-caths where they'll usually have to bear their breasts. I've worked in units with breast surgery and gynaecology beds and NEVER had an issue in those areas. If you'll accept a male doctor examining you lady partslly and staring "down there" for hours, I don't see the difference in a nurse or a midwife.
If you came under my care and you were uncomfortable because I'm a man, of course I wouldn't force care on you. However I find that with the tact, sensitivity and professionalism I try to to give ALL of my patients, this just doesn't arise.
1 hour ago, DavidFR said:If a woman objected to me giving her intimate care of course I would go out of my way to find a female colleague, but in a 36 year long career in two different countries that's happened twice. On one occasion it was the woman's husband, not her, who actually objected.
My point is that this should NOT deter the OP from taking a post in L&D, just as male doctors are not deterred from becoming obstetricians or gynaecologists, and midwifery programs in Europe accept male applicants who go on to practise their profession. While a minority of women will object, and yes, I'd respect their wishes, empirical evidence shows us the majority don't, so I would say to the OP, pursue your chosen field and I'm sure that with respect and sensitivity, you'll be fine.
The fact that he wrote the post makes me question his suitability for the work. That's assuming that the post is honest and not simply provocative.
So many interesting answers here. I see a little bit of a parallel between this discussion and the current issues going on with women's rights today. No woman should have to explain why she wants a nurse or doctor of a certain gender. It doesn't matter if she has a male OB but wants a female nurse. She does not have to explain her preferences. It doesn't matter if the nurse feels there is no difference between a male nurse and a male doctor. That choice belongs to a patient.
I personally have given birth a couple of times with female teams (I made that choice, as I prefer female providers). I actually asked for the random male doctor who showed up (to watch?, I dunno) to get out. I don't have to explain why. It made me comfortable. If I was bleeding to death and only a male nurse or doctor had the expertise needed to save me, of course I would say yes. But when I can choose, I do.
I am always amazed (stupid of me, I know) at how people are so perturbed by women making choices about their own care and their own bodies.
The OP should go ahead and pursue his goals. I am sure there are some women who have no problem with male L&D nurses.
54 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:The fact that he wrote the post makes me question his suitability for the work. That's assuming that the post is honest and not simply provocative.
Would be interesting if he came back and gave us his thoughts now.
I am a new grad Labor and Delivery nurse. My unit took me in with open arms. As long as you can carry yourself as a professional and stay calm during stressful situations, you can a an L & D nurse regardless of your gender.
I would not have cared at all if my L&D nurse was male. My OB was male. Doesn't make any difference to me. Not everyone would feel that way I suppose. If she has a female OB and no one other husband has "been there" it might be a situation
Rate your pain said:If I was a male provider, I surely would have a female in the room any time I got near any private area.
I find this statement interesting. When has a female nurse been required to have a chaperone? (Not saying it's never been suggested).
I have that a lot at my work site with specific female nurses stating that a male shouldn't do an ECG on a young female, while they put in a Foley in a young male without second thought.
I see/hear a lot of double standards in this industry. Would be nice to be treated the same (either way).
kdkout, BSN, RN
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Oncology nursing is not the same as labor and delivery, though. You don't do recurrent vag exams and stare at a patients vag, potentially for hours, while you wait for the baby to come out.
When I was an oncology patient, it was embarrassing when they changed my Hickman dressing and temporarily bared my breast. This does not even slightly compare to what you go through when having a baby, though.
Much of the time the labor patient will not get a choice about who they'll get as a nurse, so why make it harder? The patient will be meeting that nurse for the first time, and will have no idea if that male nurse is Mr Professional, and when you arrive at the hospital scared and in pain, that's not going to help
There's a million things to do in nursing. It doesn't have to be this.