Shooting at nurse's college in Tuscon, AZ??

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I am watching FOXNews and they just reported they have received a "bulletin" about a shooting at a nursing college in Tuscon. They will break in more more news as they get it. Two women have been shot...No word on condition...I hope they are not seriously wounded.

My prayers are with them.

Why shouldn't we have a debate about gun control? Ever have to care for a gunshot victim? It's relavant to nursing issues today. to Roland and Suzy K -go see Michael Moore's movie bowling for Columbine- And dont forget to think for yourself;) ;)

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When I started this thread, I was trying to pass along information as it was first being reported. I also hoped it would encourage others to pray or at least keep the possible victims in their thoughts. It saddens me to see that this particular thread has become a heated gun control debate. That was not my intention.

Fortunately, a thread dedicated to the victims and those affected by this tragedy can be found here:https://allnurses.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25001

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AND also read his book Stupid White Men. Believe it or not I actually like certain aspects of his philosophy. At least he is a liberal (like Paul Wellstone and Phil Donahue, and Ralph Nader) who has the guts to clearly express his opinions. In addition, I think that if you closely watch Bowling For Columbine you will see that although there are antigun elements to the show, it speaks to something deeper. That is to say the film asserts that there is culture of violence that is ingrained within the American spirit (on balance I disagree with this proposition but there are certainly elements of truth to it as well). He even cites at one point that there are more gun owners in Canada (as a percentage of the population) than in the United States without the concurrent violence. However, in the end I am about as persuaded by Mr. Moore's rhetoric as I suspect you would be by listening to Rush Limbaugh for a few weeks.

I respect your viewpoints, although I deeply disagree with them. In addition, I would would gladly die for YOUR rights to attempt and convince the American people that we should outlaw guns (while at the same time trying to convince them that you were wrong). I think it is a good thing, and speaks to the greatness of this nation that we can so profoundly disagree on issues that we both deeply hold and yet still do so in a civil manner. May God bless you and the victims of this tragic incident.

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As a veteran and male nursing student, I can perhaps see how a bent person could snap. Being active duty, in a completely closed society, like a military base or deployment, can effect you holistically. It's so wrong this person went to an extreme and ended lives.

Put a foot down! Perhaps now nursing students will be expected to have a unthreating demenour, and common sense judgement should be applied to helping a student not for the proffesion away from completion. Maybe this person should have been dropped a long time ago, and no one imagine a mentally ill person with a gun could in fact be a student in nursing school. Give instructors more power and protection to ensure our ranks are alighned to the positive. Amen.

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If these four had been killed in an auto accident, I guarantee you there would be not one person here arguing that cars should be banned. Drunk driving kills more than guns..are we arguing that alcohol should be outlawed?

I am confused about this US vs Canada gun laws. Fergus left me believing, in another thread, that there is little difference in the Canadian laws and those of the US.

A much bigger concern of mine is what is our gov't doing for veteran's in the way of post-war therapy? Two in a month is a scary thought. This guy walked into the classroom with a loaded weapon, this was NOT an act of impulse..this was premeditated.

I own a gun that hasn't been out of the top of a closet in over two years. Hubby own's an AK that we don't even know where the bullets are..haven't had it out in over five years. HOWEVER, I will never give up my right to own a gun. Sane people do not kill other people unless in self defense. Do you honestly think this guy would not have killed had he not had a LEGAL gun?? puhlease. It's easier to get an illegal weapon than it is to get a legal one...and you can do very little to control illegal weapons...

other than use your legal weapon to defend yourself.

my heart goes out to the friends and families of the victims..

a sad...very sad.

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I own maybe 10 guns ( I'm too lazy to go count them right now), 2 of which are handguns. My wife and I both carry one in our vehicles. My reason being if you break down on the road then you are at anyones mercy. I would rather have a bit of an equalizer should some maniac attempt to harm my family or myself.

I live in an area with no law enforcement available to us and it does indeed make me feel better that I am able to protect my family if need be.

My kids all know how to shoot. We hunt together and treat our guns as the tools they are. Any tool can be dangerous when used improperly.

My kids are ages 15, 11 and 9 and all practice regularly.

My heart goes out to those injured and killed by the hand of this mentally ill person. They did not deserve this violence.

The photo is of my 15 year old daughter.

Love and Peace,

-Russell

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JMP! Suzy K! Stop fighting please. This is about the people who died in arizona, not whether to keep guns ot of the hands of people or not. It is that moron that shot those people!!! Its not the guns fault, its his fault. The gun didnt decide 'hey, I'm gonna kill these people' Its not worth fighting over. No offense, but were here in allnurses.com to support eachother if I am correct. :rolleyes: :nono:

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originally posted by nurs4kids

if these four had been killed in an auto accident, i guarantee you there would be not one person here arguing that cars should be banned. drunk driving kills more than guns..are we arguing that alcohol should be outlawed?

, i will never give up my right to own a gun. sane people do not kill other people unless in self defense. do you honestly think this guy would not have killed had he not had a legal gun?? puhlease. it's easier to get an illegal weapon than it is to get a legal one...and you can do very little to control illegal weapons...

other than use your legal weapon to defend yourself.

my heart goes out to the friends and families of the victims..

a sad...very sad.

eloquent..............:saint:

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originally posted by nurs4kids

if these four had been killed in an auto accident, i guarantee you there would be not one person here arguing that cars should be banned. drunk driving kills more than guns..are we arguing that alcohol should be outlawed?

, i will never give up my right to own a gun. sane people do not kill other people unless in self defense. do you honestly think this guy would not have killed had he not had a legal gun?? puhlease. it's easier to get an illegal weapon than it is to get a legal one...and you can do very little to control illegal weapons...

other than use your legal weapon to defend yourself.

my heart goes out to the friends and families of the victims..

a sad...very sad.

eloquent..............:saint:

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abrenrn, the thoughts that you expressed are the ones I keep coming back to also. I too, had an instuctor from hell, and 11 years later I wouldn't piss on her if she was on fire.

Did anyone else get that the shooter was an LPN already? He apparently got through school once, what happened this time around?

And Suzy you have a point, what is it is our culture now that has so many mass shootings? It is too easy to point to video games, TV etc... It is my belief that it has more to do with the idea that one can do whatever one wants whenever one wants. I see too many kids my children's ages that have no manners whatsoever. I can't even express how much that annoys me. It is not just kids either, there are plenty of adults who wouldn't know what decent manners were if they slapped them in the face.

I also would like to say to Shay that the point I was trying to make was that I didn't feel a debate on gun control belonged in this thread. I sincerely had wanted to go to this thread express how upsetting this is. Not to debate gun control. Perhaps I am feeling very sensitive right now. There seems to be so much tragedy right now. Of course the terrorist acts of 9/11, the bombing in Bali, at least one person every day dead in Israel or the Palastinine areas, the sniper in DC, the hostages in Moscow, the 16 month child that was killed in Grand Rapids MI two days ago because someone punched him hard enough in the stomach to cause internal bleeding. The deaths of three nursing instructors and the suicide of the killer, the people they leave behind. I didn't watch the news tonight, I even turned off NPR on the way home from work, I rarely do that. I sincerely wished that this thread did not have to go into the gun control debate. Maybe an exam of nursing and it's stressors, God knows we have them. Maybe the sadness that this type of episode causes, but not gun control.

I still remember being absolutely stunned the day Columbine happened. I had the day off and had not turned on the TV, my parents came over and my dad started talking about it, I had no idea what he was referring to so he turned the TV on to CNN and I watched a kid crawl out of window and fall a couple stories trying to get out. Swat teams all over. It was as if I were glued to the living room floor. And now I hear similar things and it has become "oh, another one." But this one---this one hit a little closer to home. I would wager there are many allnurses members out there that can think of at least one episode in which they have been physically threatened while providing nursing. I have, not once, not twice, but several times. I would wager many of us also have been in nursing school with students we wondered how they were allowed to continue in the program. Not to mention like I started out with, instructors who made a students life a total misery.

Perhaps this is all part of the new "normal". Maybe it is a normal reaction to first think of our own safety in terms of "if someone tries something like that with me or mine, I'll kill kill them first and therefore I must have my gun". Instead of how sad and how awful that we feel this way to begin with.

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abrenrn, the thoughts that you expressed are the ones I keep coming back to also. I too, had an instuctor from hell, and 11 years later I wouldn't piss on her if she was on fire.

Did anyone else get that the shooter was an LPN already? He apparently got through school once, what happened this time around?

And Suzy you have a point, what is it is our culture now that has so many mass shootings? It is too easy to point to video games, TV etc... It is my belief that it has more to do with the idea that one can do whatever one wants whenever one wants. I see too many kids my children's ages that have no manners whatsoever. I can't even express how much that annoys me. It is not just kids either, there are plenty of adults who wouldn't know what decent manners were if they slapped them in the face.

I also would like to say to Shay that the point I was trying to make was that I didn't feel a debate on gun control belonged in this thread. I sincerely had wanted to go to this thread express how upsetting this is. Not to debate gun control. Perhaps I am feeling very sensitive right now. There seems to be so much tragedy right now. Of course the terrorist acts of 9/11, the bombing in Bali, at least one person every day dead in Israel or the Palastinine areas, the sniper in DC, the hostages in Moscow, the 16 month child that was killed in Grand Rapids MI two days ago because someone punched him hard enough in the stomach to cause internal bleeding. The deaths of three nursing instructors and the suicide of the killer, the people they leave behind. I didn't watch the news tonight, I even turned off NPR on the way home from work, I rarely do that. I sincerely wished that this thread did not have to go into the gun control debate. Maybe an exam of nursing and it's stressors, God knows we have them. Maybe the sadness that this type of episode causes, but not gun control.

I still remember being absolutely stunned the day Columbine happened. I had the day off and had not turned on the TV, my parents came over and my dad started talking about it, I had no idea what he was referring to so he turned the TV on to CNN and I watched a kid crawl out of window and fall a couple stories trying to get out. Swat teams all over. It was as if I were glued to the living room floor. And now I hear similar things and it has become "oh, another one." But this one---this one hit a little closer to home. I would wager there are many allnurses members out there that can think of at least one episode in which they have been physically threatened while providing nursing. I have, not once, not twice, but several times. I would wager many of us also have been in nursing school with students we wondered how they were allowed to continue in the program. Not to mention like I started out with, instructors who made a students life a total misery.

Perhaps this is all part of the new "normal". Maybe it is a normal reaction to first think of our own safety in terms of "if someone tries something like that with me or mine, I'll kill kill them first and therefore I must have my gun". Instead of how sad and how awful that we feel this way to begin with.

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Lol, when are privately owned guns ever successfully used defensively? When was the last time you heard of a "woman murdering a potential rapist", or a family "that killed an intruder?" Guns are OFFENSIVE weapons. The only time I can think of a gun as a defensive weapon is laying down grazing fire from a machine gun. Other than that, guns are instraments of death. Right?

people may own guns and proclaim to be familiar with them, however, they are no match for people who REALLY know what a gun is for, and are not afraid to use one. Average people aren't trained to kill. Just because you have a gun don't mean you can kill. And if you branish a firearm "defensively", I can assure you a smart opponent will kill you as fast as they can, which is pretty quick when all you gotta do is aim and shoot.

:chuckle :rolleyes:

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