Shooting at nurse's college in Tuscon, AZ??

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I am watching FOXNews and they just reported they have received a "bulletin" about a shooting at a nursing college in Tuscon. They will break in more more news as they get it. Two women have been shot...No word on condition...I hope they are not seriously wounded.

My prayers are with them.

One more thing -

I agree with Youda, by the way, I think Vegas and Suzi rock - even if I disagree with you.

Thanks, Suzi.

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Originally posted by abrenrn

it.

If I were a lawyer, I would have no ammunition to use against members of this board. I would have a whole lot of ammunition to use against the College of Nursing, I think.

Sometimes it's just simply the fault of the killer and no one else: not the victims, not the students, not the college.

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Originally posted by abrenrn

it.

If I were a lawyer, I would have no ammunition to use against members of this board. I would have a whole lot of ammunition to use against the College of Nursing, I think.

Sometimes it's just simply the fault of the killer and no one else: not the victims, not the students, not the college.

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Originally posted by abrenrn

...The fact that members of the school are saying they knew he was violent for a long time, suspected he was violent is a bit different, I think. Given the degree of suspicion of violence being reported, one wonders why something wasn't done to prevent it.

If I were a lawyer, I would have no ammunition to use against members of this board. I would have a whole lot of ammunition to use against the College of Nursing, I think.

I'm glad you seem to agree with this.

Actually, I didn't agree at first, but you make a good point. Now I see where you were coming from.. that's the great thing about debates!

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Originally posted by abrenrn

...The fact that members of the school are saying they knew he was violent for a long time, suspected he was violent is a bit different, I think. Given the degree of suspicion of violence being reported, one wonders why something wasn't done to prevent it.

If I were a lawyer, I would have no ammunition to use against members of this board. I would have a whole lot of ammunition to use against the College of Nursing, I think.

I'm glad you seem to agree with this.

Actually, I didn't agree at first, but you make a good point. Now I see where you were coming from.. that's the great thing about debates!

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Ah, Vegas, yes it is.

I am sincere when I ask you to point out things I missed, like before. I'm not perfect, strive to come closer, and things like that help.

Well, when I'm PMSing I surely don't strive. Not perfect at all.

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Ah, Vegas, yes it is.

I am sincere when I ask you to point out things I missed, like before. I'm not perfect, strive to come closer, and things like that help.

Well, when I'm PMSing I surely don't strive. Not perfect at all.

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Big Sigh!

I have not said I condone Flores' behavior.

I have not said that I condone violence.

In fact, I have said just the opposite.

Ditto to all of Stargazer's posts.

I *am* saying that there are more causes for this kind of thing than just "unbalanced" or "guns" or wherever you want to say the blame lies. Nothing is ever that simple.

Just as we can infer that a crazy person would expect to be called crazy after premeditated murder, we can also infer that bullys will deny all responsibility and claim innocence. This, unfortunately, follows the pattern of the bullying syndrome. The day I hear someone say, "maybe I could have . . ." that is the day I will know the entire truth is a little closer to the surface.

The bullying syndrome will always make the person out to be crazy, until they eventually ARE crazy. Offering help doesn't help, because the help is just more abuse, more denial. Instead of taking the complaints and concerns seriously, the "help" tells the person that his/her concerns have no meaning or reality, therefore he/she must be crazy and wrong.

Psychiatric help is given because a person has been invalidated and concerns minimalize so long, that, yes, they start to act crazy and angry, because they are BECOMING crazy. The students being afraid of him follows the pattern. He WAS getting desperate and angry. Most definitely. I am not disputing that the guy was dangerous OR crazy. I am saying that he didn't walk into that program that way. He walked into that program full of hope and promise.

There's a very small percentage of people who are born sociopaths. Most are Made In The U.S.A.

No, Suzy, you don't understand bullying, or you wouldn't make some of the statements you've made. It's far more complex.

I won't change anyone's minds here, just as you won't change mine. So, I think I'll bow out of this discussion and let you all have the board to talk unopposed.

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Big Sigh!

I have not said I condone Flores' behavior.

I have not said that I condone violence.

In fact, I have said just the opposite.

Ditto to all of Stargazer's posts.

I *am* saying that there are more causes for this kind of thing than just "unbalanced" or "guns" or wherever you want to say the blame lies. Nothing is ever that simple.

Just as we can infer that a crazy person would expect to be called crazy after premeditated murder, we can also infer that bullys will deny all responsibility and claim innocence. This, unfortunately, follows the pattern of the bullying syndrome. The day I hear someone say, "maybe I could have . . ." that is the day I will know the entire truth is a little closer to the surface.

The bullying syndrome will always make the person out to be crazy, until they eventually ARE crazy. Offering help doesn't help, because the help is just more abuse, more denial. Instead of taking the complaints and concerns seriously, the "help" tells the person that his/her concerns have no meaning or reality, therefore he/she must be crazy and wrong.

Psychiatric help is given because a person has been invalidated and concerns minimalize so long, that, yes, they start to act crazy and angry, because they are BECOMING crazy. The students being afraid of him follows the pattern. He WAS getting desperate and angry. Most definitely. I am not disputing that the guy was dangerous OR crazy. I am saying that he didn't walk into that program that way. He walked into that program full of hope and promise.

There's a very small percentage of people who are born sociopaths. Most are Made In The U.S.A.

No, Suzy, you don't understand bullying, or you wouldn't make some of the statements you've made. It's far more complex.

I won't change anyone's minds here, just as you won't change mine. So, I think I'll bow out of this discussion and let you all have the board to talk unopposed.

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Originally posted by Youda

..I won't change anyone's minds here, just as you won't change mine. So, I think I'll bow out of this discussion and let you all have the board to talk unopposed.

Youda, please don't bow out! Your viewpoint is just as valid as everyone elses. By presenting all of these different viewpoints it serves to enlighten and encourage understanding.

You opinions have value, don't discount them just because some disagree. C'mon back now...ya hear? :)

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Originally posted by Youda

..I won't change anyone's minds here, just as you won't change mine. So, I think I'll bow out of this discussion and let you all have the board to talk unopposed.

Youda, please don't bow out! Your viewpoint is just as valid as everyone elses. By presenting all of these different viewpoints it serves to enlighten and encourage understanding.

You opinions have value, don't discount them just because some disagree. C'mon back now...ya hear? :)

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Some of my instructors have made comments that the College will most likely be sued by the families.

There is evidence that Flores bullied and threatened these instructors and there are witnesses.

He portrayed himself as a victim in his letter, I could not drudge up an ounce of sympathy for any of his problems.

If in fact he did threaten and harass these instructors, no wonder they tried to avoid him. How many months did they "fear" for their lives? Flores life was only in danger of his own hands.

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