Shockingly low NP pay !

Jules A, MSN · Nov 11, 2018

Is this a way of reducing enrollment? Or is it literally because they are running out of preceptors for the insane number of students?
I will say this - I will NOT pay the amount of money that school charges per credit hour just to hunt down my own preceptors. No way. Something is very wrong with this picture.

Good for you for having standards. Unfortunately so many are content to get a degree from any As Seen On TV University. The schools with rolling admissions that will admit someone even if their GPA is lower than the school's minimal under "provisional status" are especially interesting.

Not providing vetted preceptors is not a way to reduce enrollment it is a cash grab. A way to continue collecting large amounts of tuition with a minimal amount of effort on the part of universities. If they were trying to reduce enrollment they would institute admission standards. What a shame the general public is so gullible. I'm reminded of the internet stock market bubble and interest only mortgages. In our society now everyone actually believes they are entitled. It is pathetic.

Libby1987 · Nov 12, 2018

Good for you for having standards. Unfortunately so many are content to get a degree from any As Seen On TV University. The schools with rolling admissions that will admit someone even if their GPA is lower than the school's minimal under "provisional status" are especially interesting.
Not providing vetted preceptors is not a way to reduce enrollment it is a cash grab. A way to continue collecting large amounts of tuition with a minimal amount of effort on the part of universities. If they were trying to reduce enrollment they would institute admission standards. What a shame the general public is so gullible. I'm reminded of the internet stock market bubble and interest only mortgages. In our society now everyone actually believes they are entitled. It is pathetic.

Stock and housing market gullibility. That is such a great analogy. Especially with thread after thread claiming ignorance to the NP education and market trends. I haven't applied for NP and I've read enough to see many of the problems beginning years ago. Yet those who would practice aren't doing the research, that's unsettling in of itself. I grew up when the best went on to NP, I can't un-know that influence.

Jm0136 · Nov 12, 2018

Well I'm finishing this semester this week and will graduate in spring. I just hope there will be decent opportunities for me after all of this money, time studying, and sacrifices.

Spadeforce · Nov 12, 2018

I read that one school (for profit) requires students to have preceptors set up prior to enrolling. I wonder if they got in trouble due to students flunking out in such high percentage. it was on their website

But what do people expect. all the top job things have FNP rated as like top 5 every year, then bored nurses go online and see it only takes 500 hours of preceptor time (which is less than your average hair dresser gets before licensure which is pathetic in itself......

Otherwise yeah i mean if a student makes it halfway through its better than not having that student at all. Half tuition is better than NONE.

Honestly wonder about the accuracy of all those website in regards to top jobs. Most of them are probably BS and even the BLS seems to be outdated.

But one truism holds true is that if there is an EASY degree that people think or really does pay six figures then you know people will flock to it.

still cannot believe it takes less clinical hours to get an FNP than it does to get a cosmetology license lol

djmatte, ADN, MSN, RN, NP · Nov 13, 2018

Why do people talk around these notorious for profit schools here? They always mention things they hear or see, but never call the school out by name.

Jules A, MSN · Nov 13, 2018

Why do people talk around these notorious for profit schools here? They always mention things they hear or see, but never call the school out by name.

My concern with regard to naming any business either positive or negative would be legal implications. If I recall correctly there was an incident here where members posted something that was considered derogatory by a business who was attempting legal action against the board and the individual members. Does anyone remember I think they even included a member who "liked" a comment?

Jm0136 · Nov 13, 2018

Yes you graduated from my school! It's encouraging to hear about your success.

Oldmahubbard · Nov 13, 2018

A book was written not too long ago about diploma mills, not at all specific to nursing, and I don't recall nursing even being mentioned in the book. It talked extensively about the spectrum and continuum of alternative education, some of which is legitimate, as well as the difficulty of cracking down on obviously fake diplomas.

The point made repeatedly in the book is that there is definitely gray area. The most common ploy of fake schools seemed to be using a name very similar to a legitimate school.

No matter where you go, you'll be proving yourself on your first job or two.

A big flag to me would be statements on the website that "we cannot accept students from such and such a state".

Goldenfox · Nov 16, 2018

California taxes are super high so is cost of living. Youd be better off making 85k in ohio than 120k in the bay area. I have heard in California though a lot of places it may not be worthwhile to be an NP but sure you can find an RN it's on a weekend program or has a special gig where they're making more than end piece but in general the pay is roughly 50% more

This is true. I did locums work as an NP in California for a while. In some cases you will actually do better financially if you are earning less money in a state with a lower COL. But, it really depends on where you are in California. Outside of the big coastal cities the COL in California isn't really all that much higher compared to many other parts of the country. But with a salary of around $115k to $120k in a place like San Francisco you may even be able to qualify for low income housing assistance (no joke). 'Low income' there used to be $105,000 a year, and they just raised it to a little over $117,000. I want to laugh, but its not funny at all. I used to be up in the Bay Area for a while, and I observed the lifestyles of friends who struggle like hell to make it there but won't leave. They had to move further away from work to find affordable housing outside the city, and the traffic and commute are still terrible. To each, his own, I guess...

In parts of the Bay Area, $1