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i would like to start off by stating that i have never been terminated from any job position i have ever held...until today. i have always had a great reputation at work and never had any issues at any of my jobs...including this specific job. i am going to be very brief and vague in my description in order to avoid possibly giving to much information. with that said...i am just going to briefly give a description of my actions which apparently led to this termination in order to hopefully recieve feedback and some direction. here goes...

today only 30 minutes into my shift at the immediate/urgent care facility i work at part time i was interrupted in the middle of carrying out an order by the physician which was to apply a wet to dry dressing on a patient. i didn't even start applying the dressing yet when the medical assistant barged into the room screaming for me to hurry up and follow her. i asked my patient if she would be okay in waiting here and had her sit completely back on the exam table before leaving. as i followed the ma out of the room i ushered for another ma who was standing in the hallway looking at me to stay with the patient and make sure she was okay until i returned. as i followed the ma down the hall i began asking her to tell me what was wrong. all she kept repeating though was "i have no idea what happened i left her alone for only 5 minutes." when i entered the room the patient was slumped in her chair with one other ma and a receptionist propping her up. she obviously had a vasovagal response to something. i immediately had the ma's assist me in laying her down flat on the floor as i elevated her feet and pulled an ice pack from the drawer to place behind her neck/head. i told the receptionist to go and get the np or md and she stated the np was at lunch and the dr. was doing an exam. i reassured her that it would be okay to politely nock on the door and let him know what was happening. she hesitated before departing. i than grabbed an ammonia tab and had an ma begin waving it under the patients nose in order to try and awake her. i than did a rapid assessment. the patients airway was patent with no signs of obstruction. breathing was normal and even with no shallow or labored breaths. patient was perl. her bp and pulse were low. there were no physical signs of trauma or of a potential allergic reaction. the dr. entered the room, assessed the patient, asked me what happened, and than had me start an iv. he had an ma retrieve the atropine and than gave me the order to administer the medication. i asked if he meant im but he was clear that it was through the iv. i politely refused as this was not in my scope of practice. he looked at me as if i had spit in his face. i tried to explain myself but he rebuked me and asked me to leave the room. i went back to my patient completed my order and continued with my work. i was called into his office 45 minutes later and was informed that i was being terminated for insubordination with a possibility of neglect. there was a huge debate that followed but i will not get into that. it ended with the office manager and the np stating to me once the dr. left the room that they were sorry and that i did nothing wrong. they even said that i can use them as a reference and they would both call around to other urgent care's who had an opening.

i have been there 1 1/2 years. never have i been written up or anything. i am so sad. i have no idea what i did wrong. on a good note; i already was offered a job at a small private urgent care by a pa who partially owns the clinic. in addition i also currently work for my local hospital part time. he was contacted by the np at this job.

i want to know if i should have done something different in these circumstances in order to have avoided this outcome. i admit i am not the most experienced in dealing with situations like this so i know my former coworker who is an rn probably would have been more helpful...but i did what i could... any feedback would be appreciate.

respectfully,

nrselucky

Specializes in Urgent Care, MedSurg, SNF, ER..

update: okay...so due to my previous circumstances i was advised not to discuss this in a public forum, however that has since changed as of this morning. i wanted to update everyone who was kind enough to give their advice and encouragement. although i would have liked to go deep into detail and inform everyone who has asked about the events following my post...i am going to instead refrain from doing so in favor of a brief summary. this decision is based off of some of the responses this thread has received from nurses regarding lvns/lpns in general. the tone of this thread has taken on more of a negative one and has since shifted in the direction of lvns/lpns do not belong____etc. im sure everyone has their own opinion regarding this issue however it was never really my intention for this discussion to go in that direction. i simply sought advice from wise nurses pertaining to my situation and actions so that i may grow in my profession. to prevent this discussion from becoming any more negative i will post a quick description of what has since transpired.

legal advice was sought...however as of this morning my case was "dropped". i am taking this as a sign and do not have the energy to continue on any further in seeking any legal action. it was too hard to even secure a legal advisor who was willing to even entertain my case because i would be "taking on a dr.". this morning i was basically dropped "for my own good" since i didn't look up to the challenge of pursing further action that could potentially "blacklist" me and "drag out". everyday has been a battle with this md. i am not a confrontational person. it has been emphasized to me throughout these last several days that i have more to lose than gain based off that i would be going up against an md and his practice. his license indeed trumps mine is what i was told...which means his word is law in the medical field. no one is going to take the word of a "1/2 nurse over that of an md." i finally concede. i am going to take the "apology" i was given and the reassurance by everyone involved including the md that i "did an excellent job given the circumstances and followed all of the the facilities protocol to the t." therefore i should actually have "been commended for thinking so clearly in such a tough circumstance and knowing my scope of practice." i was seething inside when i was being told this btw. everything has been so confusing i feel like it has all been one huge mind game. i also declined the urgent care position offered by the pa and decided to focus on my work with the hospital i am employed with instead. although...because i was told "don't be ridiculous. we are going to put this behind us. which means you will keep your job. if you want to reduce your hours than i will permit that...however it is more conducive for both of us for you to remain working here." by the md i am scheduled to work in clinic 1 day a week. when i fervently disagreed to this i was pulled aside by the fnp who has helped me throughout this entire process and told to "just say yes. you can't win with this guy. it will benefit you in the end. trust me...i wouldn't direct you to anything that would harm your career." so this is my present circumstance at the moment...and to be honest...even though i am relieved this is ending...i kind of wish that i would have just walked instead of attempting to take action before being knocked down. like some of my fellow nurses on my med/surg floor said..."you were set up to fail. you wouldn't have won anyway...no matter how right you were...but at least you were brave enough to try." with that being said...thank you to everyone who gave me advice and reassurance...throughout this process it has been very comforting and encouraging.

respectfully,

nrsluckey

:thankya:

i would like to start off by stating that i have never been terminated from any job position i have ever held...until today. i have always had a great reputation at work and never had any issues at any of my jobs...including this specific job. i am going to be very brief and vague in my description in order to avoid possibly giving to much information. with that said...i am just going to briefly give a description of my actions which apparently led to this termination in order to hopefully recieve feedback and some direction. here goes...

today only 30 minutes into my shift at the immediate/urgent care facility i work at part time i was interrupted in the middle of carrying out an order by the physician which was to apply a wet to dry dressing on a patient. i didn't even start applying the dressing yet when the medical assistant barged into the room screaming for me to hurry up and follow her. i asked my patient if she would be okay in waiting here and had her sit completely back on the exam table before leaving. as i followed the ma out of the room i ushered for another ma who was standing in the hallway looking at me to stay with the patient and make sure she was okay until i returned. as i followed the ma down the hall i began asking her to tell me what was wrong. all she kept repeating though was "i have no idea what happened i left her alone for only 5 minutes." when i entered the room the patient was slumped in her chair with one other ma and a receptionist propping her up. she obviously had a vasovagal response to something. i immediately had the ma's assist me in laying her down flat on the floor as i elevated her feet and pulled an ice pack from the drawer to place behind her neck/head. i told the receptionist to go and get the np or md and she stated the np was at lunch and the dr. was doing an exam. i reassured her that it would be okay to politely nock on the door and let him know what was happening. she hesitated before departing. i than grabbed an ammonia tab and had an ma begin waving it under the patients nose in order to try and awake her. i than did a rapid assessment. the patients airway was patent with no signs of obstruction. breathing was normal and even with no shallow or labored breaths. patient was perl. her bp and pulse were low. there were no physical signs of trauma or of a potential allergic reaction. the dr. entered the room, assessed the patient, asked me what happened, and than had me start an iv. he had an ma retrieve the atropine and than gave me the order to administer the medication. i asked if he meant im but he was clear that it was through the iv. i politely refused as this was not in my scope of practice. he looked at me as if i had spit in his face. i tried to explain myself but he rebuked me and asked me to leave the room. i went back to my patient completed my order and continued with my work. i was called into his office 45 minutes later and was informed that i was being terminated for insubordination with a possibility of neglect. there was a huge debate that followed but i will not get into that. it ended with the office manager and the np stating to me once the dr. left the room that they were sorry and that i did nothing wrong. they even said that i can use them as a reference and they would both call around to other urgent care's who had an opening.

i have been there 1 1/2 years. never have i been written up or anything. i am so sad. i have no idea what i did wrong. on a good note; i already was offered a job at a small private urgent care by a pa who partially owns the clinic. in addition i also currently work for my local hospital part time. he was contacted by the np at this job.

i want to know if i should have done something different in these circumstances in order to have avoided this outcome. i admit i am not the most experienced in dealing with situations like this so i know my former coworker who is an rn probably would have been more helpful...but i did what i could... any feedback would be appreciate.

respectfully,

nrselucky

Specializes in Clinical Research, Outpt Women's Health.

I hope things go better than you expect. Sometimes we just have to stumble through as the "right" thing to do is not obvious. Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and move on.

P.S. I was very impressed by your logical actions and success getting an IV in during "the heat of the battle". Sounds like you are an excellent nurse.

Specializes in none.

you made the fool sweat. One day the MD might be your patient and I think foleys now come in garden hose size

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.

Thanks for updating us - best wishes to you as you move on from this horrible experience. :)

Merlyn, you apparently haven't seen the barbed caths they got out now for these "special" patients.

OP, I think you did the best you could. The whole thing makes me nauseous.

Specializes in Psych ICU, addictions.

OP: glad you are getting this behind you. Best of luck with your future endeavors!

You did the right thing. It sounds like a set up to me, classic good cop, bad cop. Someone wanted you gone, so, they made it happen. Always follow your gut when it comes to doctors orders. I think the NP was part of this deceptive plan. Remember, trust no one.

Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical.

nrselucky: i think you prevailed. an apology is an amazing achievement. the physician and management of the clinic admit you did a great job! they were wrong and admitted it.

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