Senator John Kerry (Democratic Prez Candidate)

live4today, RN · Jan 31, 2004

Originally posted by Hardknox
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And, Cheerfuldoer, maybe you'll ask him why he voted AGAINST the partial birth abortion bill??? Also ask him why, during the VietNam protests, he threw someone else's war medals over the White House fence, letting people think they were his. Meanwhile his sit in his office...................................

Alrighty thennnnnn.... Where do I start with your question but with my own personal thoughts on abortion. I've NEVER in all my time on this BB (almost three years now) voiced my beliefs when it comes to abortions..........at least I don't think I have. If I have, I'm SURE someone will have the time to research the threads on abortion and bring what I posted to my attention. :rolleyes:

Anyhoo.........I do NOT believe in abortion EXCEPT in case of rape and incest. I have never had an abortion, but I have very close family members who have, and I have seen the devastating affects of their choices. They have never gotten over choosing abortion vs. life for their babies. Adoption is always an option...........abortion should NOT be used as a casual means of birth control. That's my stand on abortion, and I don't care if you or someone else cares to disagree. We're still allowed to do so last time I checked the laws of life book.

As for Kerry throwing medals over the white house fence and acting like they were his............I'd never heard anything about that. What I DO know is NO human being is perfect! What we do as young adults is one thing. We are NOT mature enough to know the lasting effects of our actions at that age. I tend to look beyond a person's "process of maturation" to see the real person. I look at Kerry TODAY...not yesterday. And today, I am pleased with him and his wife.........thus far.

My ex-husband was no saint. He did a lot of cruel, selfish, and injurious things in his life while married to me. The difference in Kerry and him.........Kerry is in the public eye as a politician, and my ex-husband is in the world book of azz-holes that the world will never see unless I bring it to their attention. :chuckle

Lastly, I am no saint myself. My past has made me who I am today...........the good and the bad of it all. Thank God that HE is a forgiving and loving God who saw something in me that no one else did. Today I can look myself in the mirror and see an aging woman who has been through a lot of hell in her 52 years of painful living, but inside my heart and soul.........I'm only a child at heart......and that is how my Father God sees me.

In sharing those personal things with you on this BB, I am fully aware of human failures at EVERY age. I'm sure you have some failures in your own past, present, and being human....we will certainly bite the dust again at some point before we leave Earth.

I'm not closing my mind to other democratic candidates at this point...I simply am more impressed with what I see TODAY in Kerry and in his wife as potential leaders of our country.

None of the democratic candidates are strong enough to beat George Bush anyhow. I voted for him myself, but he has done some things that even I do not approve of, therefore am pizzed with him right now.

SmilingBluEyes · Jan 31, 2004

Originally posted by -jt

I dont trust that doctor-politician any more than I trust the other one - Senator Frist - the heir to HCA For-Profit healthcare corp & its mega millions. Who's interests will they be aligned with first? Other physicians, the big-money healthcare, hospital corp, pharmaceutical and medical associations.... or the nurses who are constantly trying to fight all of them to put pts before profits?

Dean may be saying things nurses want to hear - but he also changed his style of clothing in Iowa to one that he thought might get more votes from those people. When it comes right down to it - who are the doctor-politicians going to bow to? The American Medical Assoc or the American NURSES Assoc? Physicians, hospitals, and pharmaceuticals who are spending lots of money on them ---- or nurses??? I think their own self-interests (and owed favors) would direct their action.

Another thing - You have to search Dean's website & browse thru his Healthcare pages to find anything he may have said about nurses. The other candidates dont discuss nursing as an issue on their websites at all. By contrast, Kerry has "NURSES" listed as an issue itself right on his home page -- not buried somewhere in the Healthcare pages. To me that reflects the level of priority each will or will not give us.

Kerry has a proven record of fighting for the nurses side. There is no medical conflict-of-interest baggage with him. That alone would get him my vote.

ITA! Frankly Dean scares me...he is a wolf in sheep's clothing as far as nursing goes. Of that I am convinced.

live4today, RN · Jan 31, 2004

Deb....I agree! God help this country and the world if Dean were ever to be our president.

BarbPick · Jan 31, 2004

Originally posted by cheerfuldoer
Alrighty thennnnnn.... Where do I start with your question but with my own personal thoughts on abortion. I've NEVER in all my time on this BB (almost three years now) voiced my beliefs when it comes to abortions..........at least I don't think I have. If I have, I'm SURE someone will have the time to research the threads on abortion and bring what I posted to my attention.

Anyhoo.........I do NOT believe in abortion EXCEPT in case of rape and incest. I have never had an abortion, but I have very close family members who have, and I have seen the devastating affects of their choices. They have never gotten over choosing abortion vs. life for their babies. Adoption is always an option...........abortion should NOT be used as a casual means of birth control. That's my stand on abortion, and I don't care if you or someone else cares to disagree. We're still allowed to do so last time I checked the laws of life book.

As for Kerry throwing medals over the white house fence and acting like they were his............I'd never heard anything about that. What I DO know is NO human being is perfect! What we do as young adults is one thing. We are NOT mature enough to know the lasting effects of our actions at that age. I tend to look beyond a person's "process of maturation" to see the real person. I look at Kerry TODAY...not yesterday. And today, I am pleased with him and his wife.........thus far.

My ex-husband was no saint. He did a lot of cruel, selfish, and injurious things in his life while married to me. The difference in Kerry and him.........Kerry is in the public eye as a politician, and my ex-husband is in the world book of azz-holes that the world will never see unless I bring it to their attention. :chuckle

Lastly, I am no saint myself. My past has made me who I am today...........the good and the bad of it all. Thank God that HE is a forgiving and loving God who saw something in me that no one else did. Today I can look myself in the mirror and see an aging woman who has been through a lot of hell in her 52 years of painful living, but inside my heart and soul.........I'm only a child at heart......and that is how my Father God sees me.

In sharing those personal things with you on this BB, I am fully aware of human failures at EVERY age. I'm sure you have some failures in your own past, present, and being human....we will certainly bite the dust again at some point before we leave Earth.

I'm not closing my mind to other democratic candidates at this point...I simply am more impressed with what I see TODAY in Kerry and in his wife as potential leaders of our country.

None of the democratic candidates are strong enough to beat George Bush anyhow. I voted for him myself, but he has done some things that even I do not approve of, therefore am pizzed with him right now.

Cheerfuldoer

I would not have taken this kind of bait. You answered very well. I feel that someone who served his country can throw anything they want to. I do not feel GW has told the whole truth about the war. Over 500 lives have been taken. I do not believe the CIA misinformed The president.

I believe that John Kerry can beat GW. That is all that matters to me.

live4today, RN · Jan 31, 2004

Originally posted by BarbPick
Cheerfuldoer
I would not have taken this kind of bait. You answered very well.............................................I believe that John Kerry can beat GW. That is all that matters to me.

Thanks for the compliment BarbPick. :kiss

And...like you....I hope Kerry beats GW, too. :)

Hardknox · Jan 31, 2004

Originally posted by BarbPick
Cheerfuldoer
I would not have taken this kind of bait. You answered very well. I feel that someone who served his country can throw anything they want to. I do not feel GW has told the whole truth about the war. Over 500 lives have been taken. I do not believe the CIA misinformed The president.
I believe that John Kerry can beat GW. That is all that matters to me.

This was not thrown out to bait Cheerfuldoer. I consider Cheerfuldoer a friend. Reading her posts on her religious beliefs over the years both here and on other boards I thought it would be of interest to her to hear the other side of John Kerry. After all, I've had 20 years of the man being my senator and he did spend his early years growing up in my little town. Perhaps I know more about the man than you all do . You are seeing his PR glossy image. I am merely telling you that much will come to light about the man that you are not seeing. He is not that well known outside of MA and is not rated as an achieving senator. As for a Massacusetts ultra liberal beating GWB, what are you people thinking!! As far as I can see most of the bible belt and the south hate us "Massholes" (thier term, not mine.) That is why I believe we need a centrist like John Edwards. The Democrats have to get their act together

Now, if all you want are posts agreeing that John Kerry is great and are not willing to listen to any other side, I'll be glad to butt out. I was merely trying to give.."the rest of the story"....:)

BarbPick · Jan 31, 2004

Originally posted by Hardknox
This was not thrown out to bait Cheerfuldoer. I consider Cheerfuldoer a friend. Reading her posts on her religious beliefs over the years both here and on other boards I thought it would be of interest to her to hear the other side of John Kerry. After all, I've had 20 years of the man being my senator and he did spend his early years growing up in my little town. Perhaps I know more about the man than you all do . You are seeing his PR glossy image. I am merely telling you that much will come to light about the man that you are not seeing. He is not that well known. As for a Massacusetts ultra liberal beating GWB, what are you people thinking!! As far as I can see most of the bible belt and the south hate us "Massholes" (thier term, not mine.) That is why I believe we need a centrist like John Edwards. The Democrats have to get their act together

The only thing that bothered me was "ask him whatever on partial birth abortion" first of all, I don't think he will be in Florida anytime soon for me to ask. I do not know of anyone who is "pro abortion." No one wakes up in the morning who is thrilled about having the situation be part of their lives, but occasionally it is.

Personally I can't understand why they can't allow the baby to get near term, to be honest, I know absoultely nothing about OB. Someone with more expereince than I have feels partial birth abortions are necessary.

About protesting the war after returning from Viet Nam helped Nixon see from a participant's point of view before congress that we were going nowhere fast. 1971, and it ended for us in 1972.

The metals and ribbons were symbolic. I have a shadow box on my wall with my Dad's 2 purple hearts, his bronze star and various others. To boil it down, If Edwards does not win South Carolina he is finished. Who else will beat George bush?

Hardknox · Jan 31, 2004

I think at this point no one can beat GWB but himself and the continued war of attrition in Iraq.

As for partial birth abortion--I AM an OB nurse and I have never seen it done. I know there are late term abortions that are necessary to save the mother's life, but have never had experience with them. I DO NOT WISH to turn this into a thread on abortions. If you want to see this discussed and see what it is see this thread:

https://allnurses.com/t52855.html

I am sure that Kerry will be in FLA. He has mortgaged his Louisburg Square mansion on Beacon Hill and will have plenty of $ to campaign. Good luck to him. I may sit this one out.

jnette, ASN, EMT-I · Jan 31, 2004

Love... LOVE the hat, Renee !!! So very, very YOU.. thanx for bringing it back !

True that I don't know all I'd like to know about Kerry.. but then, how much are we really given to know about ANY of them?

I like Edwards VERY much, and although he now has his little fortune, he certainly did not start out that way.. if I am correct, he was the first in his entire family to attend college? And if he stands up for the "little guy", I don't care HOW much he makes.

I do think he's sincere and genuine. I like that he has kept his campaign POSITIVE... I just like the guy. But I think he is yet too green politically... but heck... GW is STILL clueless !!! So I'd take Edwards over GW in a hearbeat. Kerry, too, for that matter.

pickledpepperRN · Feb 1, 2004

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January 21, 2004

Earlier this week the Vice-President Dick Cheney predicted in a newspaper interview that President George W. Bush will win re-election, in part because of a divided Democratic party. He stated that the candidates had been unable to find common ground on either the war in Iraq or the economy, which appear to be the obvious major election issues. It was, I believe, his first one-on-one interview with a major newspaper in something like two years and, as such, gives us a unique look at the thinking of the man we saw seated behind Mr. Bush, as the President delivered his State of the Union address before Congress, the nation and the world on Tuesday evening.

A week ago I might well have quietly agreed that the chances of his being denied a second term in office were slight indeed. Having witnessed the opening salvo of the campaign, in the form of the Iowa Caucuses (an Algonquin word meaning "Elder"), followed by his smoothly presented address, I think there will be a real contest ahead which might well result in a change at the White House a year from now.

Conventional wisdom was once again overturned in Iowa. It seemed that Gov. Dean was going to win quite easily, but there was a surge in popularity for the winner, Sen.John Kerry, which would have been inconceivable a week ago. This will alter the dynamics of the Democrat's primary contest and ultimately the broader national debate. Just as impressive was the rise into second place of the North Carolina Senator, John Edwards. Both men stuck to a positive and optimistic campaign. Until very recently the two front-runners had been Dr. Howard Dean the former Vermont governor and the winner last time around, Rep. Dick Gephardt. The Bush-Cheney campaign had been betting on Dean's candidacy.

Now it is on to the snowy landscape of New Hampshire and a more traditional style primary. It will become increasingly challenging with the appearance of the retired general Wesley Clark. No one can doubt his military credentials and in the case of Kerry (a man with a distinguished war record) and Sen. John Edwards, both had voted for the war resolution in the Senate, so they will be in a good position to take the Republican administration to task for its stated reasons for declaring war in the first place.

As Kerry said, and will likely say again, "We need a nominee who can prove to America that we Democrats know how to make this precious nation of ours safer and more secure."

And then one day later we heard the President presenting, with considerable style and conviction, his State of the Union address. He used the time to remind the world of the lurking threat of terrorism and his record in defeating Saddam Hussein and his success in defending the American homeland. It was an address to the world as well as the United States. In it the President emphasized the importance of diplomacy and stated that "Because of American leadership and resolve, the world is changing for the better." He's going to be selling that line between now and the day of the election. But, God forbid, what would happen if sometime between now and then, there was to be another major terrorist attack - How, do you think the electorate would react to the president possibly expanding the war; increasing our military commitment ? We are likely to be in for many, many surprises between now and then.

Gldngrl · Feb 1, 2004

John Kerry also intervened in the strike with St. Vincent's Hospital (now Worcester Medical Center) nurses and took Tenet to task. http://www.massnurses.org/News/2000/000003/strike/kerry.htm

(letter written to Tenet before intervention). I also met John Kerry very briefly while doing volunteer shelter work in a Massachusetts town; he was reserved, but went around to everyone thanking them for their work and spent most of his time with the people staying at the shelter.

Will it be difficult for Kerry to win a southern state? Probably, but I hope that doesn't stop him from trying and I speak as a "Masshole":roll living in the South where I don't really care what people think of us.

live4today, RN · Feb 1, 2004

Originally posted by jnette
Love... LOVE the hat, Renee !!! So very, very YOU.. thanx for bringing it back ! ...............................................

Why thank ya sister jnette! However :chair: I changed it yesterday to do the posting of baby and kid pictures in honor of my twelve grandchildren and grandchildren around the world. THEN...I will bring back the hat when I'm done, okay? Love ya :kiss