Sean Hannity: Trump 'needs to pardon his whole family and himself'

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Can't keep up with today's noteworthy news...  Hannity and Trumps advisors laying the groundwork for a Trump self-pardon.   However, Presidential pardons do not provide protection against state or local crimes; N.Y. federal and state cases ongoing.

 

Washington Times  12/01/2020

Sean Hannity: Trump 'needs to pardon his whole family and himself'
 

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Sean Hannity said Monday that President Trump should pardon himself and the rest of his relatives before a Democratic administration can pursue criminal charges against members of the first family.

Mr. Hannity made the suggestion during the conservative commentator’s radio show while speaking with Sidney Powell, a lawyer for retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, Mr. Trump‘s former national security adviser and now the recent recipient of a presidential pardon.

“I’m like, the president out the door needs to pardon his whole family and himself, because they want this witch hunt to go on in perpetuity,” Mr. Hannity said on his show.

 

 

NY Times   12/01/2020

Trump Has Discussed With Advisers Pardons for His 3 Eldest Children and Giuliani
 

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President Trump has discussed with advisers whether to grant pre-emptive pardons to his children, to his son-in-law and to his personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani, and talked with Mr. Giuliani about pardoning him as recently as last week, according to two people briefed on the matter.

Mr. Trump has told others that he is concerned that a Biden Justice Department might seek retribution against the president by targeting the oldest three of his five children — Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump and Ivanka Trump — as well as Ms. Trump’s husband, Jared Kushner, a White House senior adviser....

 

 

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LOL

Sean is nothing if not a loyal Trump supporter.

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Speaking of the Washington Times, according to News&Guts, there’s a full page ad this past Tuesday from a group called “We the People Convention” calling for the suspension of the Constitution, voiding the election and a new election supervised by the military. Sedition, anyone?

ETA: you can read the WTPC manifesto at wethepeopleconvention.org

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54 minutes ago, heron said:

Speaking of the Washington Times, according to News&Guts, there’s a full page ad this past Tuesday from a group called “We the People Convention” calling for the suspension of the Constitution, voiding the election and a new election supervised by the military. Sedition, anyone?

ETA: you can read the WTPC manifesto at wethepeopleconvention.org

If only sedition was punishable by death.  I think Trump is bringing back firing squads and hangings.  

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21 hours ago, NRSKarenRN said:

Can't keep up with today's noteworthy news...  Hannity and Trumps advisors laying the groundwork for a Trump self-pardon.   However, Presidential pardons do not provide protection against state or local crimes; N.Y. federal and state cases ongoing.

 

Washington Times  12/01/2020

Sean Hannity: Trump 'needs to pardon his whole family and himself'
 

 

NY Times   12/01/2020

Trump Has Discussed With Advisers Pardons for His 3 Eldest Children and Giuliani
 

 

Trump and Hannity are ridiculous!    The current Republican led Senate Intelligence Committee "made criminal referral of Trump Jr., Bannon, Kushner, two others to federal prosecutors (nbcnews.com)." to the current DOJ, where Barr is the head and appointed by Trump.  Although, the referral could not have happened to a better group of corrupt individuals (some of whom are related to this corrupt traitorous president), there can be no pardons prior to convictions.  This president will not be in charge by the time these individuals are convicted of any crimes and so the advice Hannity has given Trump is ignorant, though of no surprise.

Senate committee made criminal referral of Trump Jr., Bannon, Kushner, two others to federal prosecutors https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/senate-made-criminal-referral-trump-jr-bannon-kushner-two-others-n1237155.

 

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18 hours ago, SummerGarden said:

Trump and Hannity are ridiculous!    The current Republican led Senate Intelligence Committee "made criminal referral of Trump Jr., Bannon, Kushner, two others to federal prosecutors (nbcnews.com)." to the current DOJ, where Barr is the head and appointed by Trump.  Although, the referral could not have happened to a better group of corrupt individuals (some of whom are related to this corrupt traitorous president), there can be no pardons prior to convictions.  This president will not be in charge by the time these individuals are convicted of any crimes and so the advice Hannity has given Trump is ignorant, though of no surprise.

Senate committee made criminal referral of Trump Jr., Bannon, Kushner, two others to federal prosecutors https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/senate-made-criminal-referral-trump-jr-bannon-kushner-two-others-n1237155.

 

Yes they are ridiculous.  However, preemptive pardon is a thing...it simply hasn't been tested in court. 

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2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Yes they are ridiculous.  However, preemptive pardon is a thing...it simply hasn't been tested in court. 

Thank you for that point.  If pre-emptive pardons is a thing in our justice system (it is not since it has not been tested in court, as you have pointed out), hopefully it will be shot down by the Supreme Court. 

I am so sick of Trump removing basic behavioral and legal norms of our democracy to make it more like an aristocracy or an autocracy.  However, I am very proud to see that much of our democratic institutions are holding firm despite him, the whack jobs in charge of his campaign, the clown show that is his conspiracy theory following legal team (they never have any evidence to support any claims), and the cowardly elected officials that will not stand up to him despite his nonsense.  

Counting down to Wednesday, January 20, 2021 12:00 PM ET.  In fact, I hear he will move out of the White House way before that time so it will be an even better day than I had thought!  Although, like most I was expecting to see him being dragged out kicking and screaming by secret service on that date and time because he is a poor loser and in no way a grown man.   

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Wait a minute!  Wouldn't they have to list the transgressions for which they are being pardoned?  Can't see that happening.

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Nixon was pardoned preemptively.  It's on the books...a pardon for crimes unspecified and uncharged.

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If the Trump family or Giuliani are preemptively pardoned by Trump for unspecified and unprosecuted crimes, they would have difficulty pleading the 5th amendment in testimony in later cases.  They can't be concerned about self incrimination if they are already pardoned, right?

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5 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Nixon was pardoned preemptively.  It's on the books...a pardon for crimes unspecified and uncharged.

True, but no one tested the pardon of unspecified crimes of Nixon in the Supreme Court, as you have pointed out, which is why I do not consider it a-thing.  In fact, Congress at the time did not pursue Nixon when he left office at Ford's recommendation (History.com).  Plus, Trump waited to pardon Traitor Flynn because he was advised to do so years ago (msnbc.com).   Now Trump is panicking to protect himself for his crimes by pardoning Flynn post conviction and wanting to pardon himself, his family, and others prior to criminal charges and conviction (theatlantic.com).  Like you, if Trump tries to do it, I hope it gets tested in the Supreme Court and struck down.

 

Fmr. DOJ Official: Trump lawyer offering pardon is 'mind-blowingly stupid' https://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-ari-melber/watch/fnr-doj-official-trump-lawyer-offering-pardon-is-mind-blowingly-stupid-11973891551

Ford Pardons Nixon.  https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/ford-pardons-nixon

Trump Pardoned Flynn to Save Himself.  https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/trump-pardon-flynn-protect-himself/617220/

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3 hours ago, SummerGarden said:

True, but no one tested the pardon of unspecified crimes of Nixon in the Supreme Court, as you have pointed out, which is why I do not consider it a-thing.  In fact, Congress at the time did not pursue Nixon when he left office at Ford's recommendation (History.com).  Plus, Trump waited to pardon Traitor Flynn because he was advised to do so years ago (msnbc.com).   Now Trump is panicking to protect himself for his crimes by pardoning Flynn post conviction and wanting to pardon himself, his family, and others prior to criminal charges and conviction (theatlantic.com).  Like you, if Trump tries to do it, I hope it gets tested in the Supreme Court and struck down.

 

Fmr. DOJ Official: Trump lawyer offering pardon is 'mind-blowingly stupid' https://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-ari-melber/watch/fnr-doj-official-trump-lawyer-offering-pardon-is-mind-blowingly-stupid-11973891551

Ford Pardons Nixon.  https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/ford-pardons-nixon

Trump Pardoned Flynn to Save Himself.  https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/trump-pardon-flynn-protect-himself/617220/

I don't disagree that the court challenge may prove too difficult...that certainly doesn't mean that Trump wouldn't do it. The current supreme Court seems unstable. 

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