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Saudi Arabia - Good Idea or Not

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As seen by a Registered Nurse from the United States, who is now on assignment, it can be hard to adjust to hospital nursing in Saudi Arabia. That is particularly true in the hospital complex that serves the Saudi Royal Family. The very size of this facility is daunting. It is a 1 km straight walk from the front door to the back entrance. You are reading page 3 of Saudi Arabia - Good Idea or Not. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

Don't second guess. I'm in the Air Force and I have been to Saudi quite a few times (not as a nurse) and I totally agree with your post. It was very informative and accurate. I have seen it first hand. I had to go shopping for one of my co-workers because the store owner wouldn't talk to her. Don't worry about the critics here. Someone will always take offense. KKK? Give me a break!! Working "overseas" will make a lot of people appreciate what we have here. No country is perfect. Where else can we joke about religions without start holy wars? I need to add one more fact to your post. They really love blonds over there. Hey, this is my first post!!!

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I think was a good article and very interesting in regards to the Saudi Royal Family, how large the family is and how they live. How sad that an entire wing is full of comatose royals simply because of the money attached to them. :o I did not pick up on any prejudice what-so-ever.

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Glad to see that you'll be re-joining the civilian nursing ranks. My grandson finished a tour in Iraq last year. No matter where they serve, not enough can be done in this country to repay our military men & women for their sacrifices on behalf of our national security. You have my personal thanks.

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I was once aiming to go to saudi due to high salary and other benifits but was discouraged by my father who was a contract worker there..and according to him,unfortunately all these things happened and women are always at risk.

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Unfortunately I was hoping to receive some unbiased information about working as a nurse in SA. I think your article told me what you think of the royal family and Islam. I do know that most of what you said about Islam is incorrect, and that most of what you encountered is cultural...and NOT Islamic! But what is their interpretation of what is Islam and Sharia law. On the same token we can speak of what is supposed to be constitutional here in the USA and what is REAL Christianity as is practiced by Americans. But professionally, we should only speak on the topic of what it is like to WORK in SA, and what makes it different than nursing in the USA.

Working in any country that is not your home you can expect some difficulties. I worked in west germany, and felt I was discriminated against, and sometimes I am in my own country(USA). One thing I can say is this...if all you say is true, it sure has not put a damper on the flow of americans( nurses, contractors etc ) for the tax free money and benefits! I have been invited to work in Jeddah SA ( Onc and Hospice ), if I decide to go I know I can't judge a whole society by one measuring stick. I must keep an open mind, and realize as a nurse we are expected to provide care to all individuals across a wide spectrum of cultures. Caring for arabs here in the US is not much different, they usually have an entourage, even if they aren't royalty. They also like to call the shots, and I feel it's ok, it's their loved one who is ill. I have come across many Americans who feel the same way when I approach for treatments or medications. And how many Americans do we see that eat, smoke and drink to their detrement? Humans will be humans always...

Surely there is some reason other than the pay to work in another country? If it's only to appreciate what you have at home, and to bring your experience/ expertise/ compassion to a place where you are not provided all your creature comforts.

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It's all in the eye of the beholder. As nurses, we try to apply critical thinking skills. But, not everyone interprets, what they see & experience, the same way.

We can find many of the same problems in our own country without half trying. Our challenge is to advocate for our patients no matter who they are or where they are from in a non-judgmental manner while using sound rational judgment.

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I think the article was a little bit over the top. I am Muslim, born in America a African-American and a Nurse and yes I've been Muslim all my life. I will tell you first hand that this is not Islam this is more culture. I know personally people who have been across seas and they incorporate their culture inside the religion of Islam. I think that as human beings we need to first learn what is truth and what is not before we label a religion based on just a few ignorant people. There is 1.6 billion muslims in this world and we are not all bad. This article only describe the negative and it is not that far from being bias. I take great offense to the article because he associated islam with people's ignorance and their cultural practices. I try to treat people regardless of what religion they are with great respect this is what true islam teaches to respect your neighbor even if they are different from you. We need to stick to what is important that is providing care not judging people's religions.

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Thank you for the information. I really appreciate it:cheers:. I just want to share my experience in KSA.

15 years ago, I was a contract worker in the eastern province of Saudi Arabia. At that time I wasn't a nurse, instead I was a general worker (laborer, baggage handler) in the airport. My experiences there were both good and bad. But I can definetly say it was more of the bad side. On one instance, I was almost slapped by a mutawa. It was prayer time so all stores were closed. My companions and I decided to just sit by the sidewalk and wait for the store to open. Along came a mutawa screaming "sala, sala" over and over again. He started coming towards us and we just remained sitting since we couldn't understand what he was saying. When he got near us, he raised his hand to slap me. As much as I wanted to beat the *@##:angryfire out of him, I couldn't. So we ran away from him like chickens! It is not his fault that he was born to a culture and society that's very different from mine. Besides, as a filipino in saudi, sad to say, we really don't have any rights.

When I got a promotion and started to work in the office, a saudi male asked me to have a relationship with him:bugeyes:!!!! When i told my supervisor about that incident, he made it a point that someone from our company will fetch me after office hours. He feared that i might get raped (yes it does happen often in saudi). After 2 weeks, I was pulled out of the office and was transferred to a safer work area. I couldn't understand then, because I knew that he had a wife and LOTS of kids.

A lot of things happened during my stay there. As with any other country, there are good people and not so good ones. There are saudis who will really help you. It was our saudi company supervisor who helped me get the money which was sent by my parents. The bank was holding my money for 3 weeks, and refused to release it. It was because of the assistance of our saudi personnel that I was able to get my money.

And now, I am going back again! As much as I don't want to go back in any part of KSA, I have no choice. I graduated from nursing but could not find any nursing job with a decent wage. The average salary of a nurse here is $200-$350/mo less taxes. At least in KSA I was offered $500/mo tax free. I do want to go to the US someday (my wife and I passed the nclex and my wife's I140 was submitted last year), but with retrogression, there's no chance of getting there anytime soon. So right now, I have to go back to saudi and just hope that things will change for the better.

To the americans, the worst working conditions in your hospital is already heaven to us. That is why we do our best to get to the US. You have the american dream (which anyone can get regardless of who you are) In my country only a few people can have a chance of getting out of the rat race.

To the muslims who reacted to the the first article that was posted by 43RN20,I see nothing wrong with was written. It was not an attack (bad mouth) on Islam, a religion whom I regard with great respect. I am Christian, but I grew up in mindanao with lots of muslim friends and neighbors. What was posted were honest experiences in saudi just like my own.

Lets be honest, the saudis practice Islam that is very different from the Islam that is practiced in my country or other western countries. At least in my country or other western countries, muslim women have rights and can speak for themselves. Not in KSA. Maybe that is what the saudis think is best for them. So I do my best not to judge them. I just respect their views without insisting that my belief is right.

To 43RN20 again, thank you for your post. It was honest just like what i believe americans should be.

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welcome fil murse07. i am glad you found this website.

sorry to hear about your struggles to make a living in your homeland. loneliness can be the worst part of any foreign assignment! if your wife is already on assignment in sa, i would hope that you would be able to see each other when you get there even if you are not working in the same facility. it is a fascinating land that the two of you could explore together. knowing the customs as well as you do, you will hopefully be able to avoid pitfalls. don't give up on coming to the usa. maybe you can start by coming as a visitor. my husband was a marine & based in your country during part of the korean war. he remembered well the soft hearts of the people, but how poor they were then & how unsettled some of the country still was. he often talked about a young boy, named rudy, who became a friend. stay in touch.

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culture and religion are completely two different subjects. the person who wrote this article was generalizing. just because one family acts a certain way does not mean the entire people of saudia arabia are like that. listen it comes down to this just because she had a bad experience doesnt mean thats how everyone will feel. she was telling her side of the story thats subjective not objective.

in case anyone is confused here is where badmouthing islam comes in--------these statements are false and misjudging. do not judge a bird by its feathers but only by its sweet chirping in the early morning.

"this islamic country is ruled by sharia law, and women’s rights are virtually non-existent. although a state of world-wide unrest exists with the radical islamic countries, because of oil reserves, a policy of appeasement has been adopted by the united states."

" religious law is civil law in this country. because it is interpreted literally, it is enforced without mercy. sharia law identifies anyone who is not a muslim as an infidel and an enemy. muslims are specifically ordered to not befriend unbelievers. mateen elass explains the implications of this in her book, understanding the koran. according to standard islamic jurisprudence, sharia law today, interprets the koran as obligating muslims to be under the rule of expansionist jihad (holy war). this is understood as armed struggle against unbelievers, whether or not the muslim community had been attacked."

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What a well written and informative article. Thank you for the information ! Gary

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