There are so many unemployed new grads out there that pretty soon we are going to be willing to work for minimum wage if things don't change soon. I bet hospitals would be willing to hire lots and lots of us at that price. That might even translate to loss of jobs and decreased wages for those experienced nurses already employed.
You might want to encourage your hospital to give new grads a chance instead of requiring experience for every job posting they have. Maybe be a little more enthusiastic about helping to train them.
Yes CCLRN :) To be a bazillionaire would be awesome!
This thread has somehow taken an odd turn, but I find it quite comical now.
In response to the comment about higher education and direct patient care, I agree that higher education leads to improvements in direct patient care. Furthermore, as you've pointed out, CCLRN, grammar, spelling, and the ability to construct a logical argument overall are a major component of higher education. All of these elements are important when conveying an idea.
So, to avoid all this unpleasantness, it would behoove experienced nurses to look out for their jobs and wages now by encouraging hospitals to hire new grad nurses, before it gets to that state of things.
I hate to burst your bubble, but nothing *I* say is going to change the hiring policy of my hospital. I can "encourage" all I want, but it's not going to do squat.
What might change their mind would be less new nurses ditching after their (expensive) orientation period. Your time may be better spent encouraging other new grads to stay in their roles once hired and trained, than trying to get experienced nurses to "encourage" the hospitals to hire new grads.
I hate to burst your bubble, but nothing *I* say is going to change the hiring policy of my hospital. I can "encourage" all I want, but it's not going to do squat.
What might change their mind would be less new nurses ditching after their (expensive) orientation period. Your time may be better spent encouraging other new grads to stay in their roles once hired and trained, than trying to get experienced nurses to "encourage" the hospitals to hire new grads.
A unit I left recently hired someone from within the hospital who was known for having a few problems (call offs being the biggest) instead of hiring a new grad. Lots of people wondered why they went that direction. A nurse who has been at this hospital for a very long time said just what you are describing..................that the unit manager wanted a known product (albeit inferior product) instead of someone who would have probably left after one year.
Everyone throws out these stats... 60K or 40K or 80K or 30K to train a new grad. Where the heck do these numbers come from? I bet it is the same thing in HR. Someone told someone that it costs $X to hire new grads, the groupthink grew, and nobody really is doing true cost/benefit analysis.
Anyone have any hard numbers with citable reliable sources?
In 2004, Lindy and Reiter13 reported that the cost to orient 42 new graduates to a hospital was $611,455, or $14,558 each. However, this cost did not include expenses related to turnover. Beecroft et al14 reported that the cost of replacing an RN is between 75% and 125% of the RN's annual salary because of costs related to recruitment, overtime compensation to ensure coverage, orientation of replacement employees, lost productivity, and customer satisfaction. Because 20% of the 42 new graduates in the Lindy and Reiter study were not retained, the estimated cost to orient each of these 42 new graduates was between $39,000 and $65,000.
There's only one person on the list and you've never even come close.
I'm so sorry, this is so far off topic but............this is killing me.
Where is this so called "ignore" button? Phfft, I don't ignore anyone cause I'm not smart enough to find it.
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But, of course...................if asked, I say "I don't ignore anyone because I relish different viewpoints and believe everyone has something of great value to add to the discussion."
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joanna73, BSN, RN
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Yes CCLRN :) To be a bazillionaire would be awesome!
This thread has somehow taken an odd turn, but I find it quite comical now.
In response to the comment about higher education and direct patient care, I agree that higher education leads to improvements in direct patient care. Furthermore, as you've pointed out, CCLRN, grammar, spelling, and the ability to construct a logical argument overall are a major component of higher education. All of these elements are important when conveying an idea.