BSN vs. ADN income disparity - page 7

I just went to a job fair and got a sheet from Loyola Hospital in Chicago. They pay their new ADN's 24.20. They pay new BSNs only 24.50 an hour. That does not make me happy at all. I am... Read More

  1. by   ukrmn
    Quote from lovemyjob
    This mentality is the exact reason we are in the position we are in....

    I did not choose nursing so that I could be the angel in the eyes of the sick and needy. I chose this career because I am intrigued by the human body and because I am willing to be responsible for the lives of others to make a comfortable living wage. I enjoy working with pts, I enjoy teaching others how to care for their newborns, I enjoy helping parents cope with their emotions when their baby is very sick...... I enjoy helping parents feel confident in caring for their baby...... I love what I do. But, Those are not the reasons I chose to become a nurse, those are what makes the ungodly amount of responsibility and stress worth while.

    I am in this profession for all of the right reasons.

    Until you are a working member of this profession, you can not even begin to contemplate what the RIGHT reasons are.

    Dont mean to be snippy.... just a hot issue with me.

    I totally agree,
    sure I am a caring person, but overall, this is a job and I am tired of the expectation being that I will work until my fingers bleed, under the worst conditions and on a wage that I can barely afford to live on (London cost of living), but if I complain or protest, I am made to feel guilty, as if being a nurse automatically entitles you to not expect to work under reasonable conditions and be reasonably compensated.
  2. by   NurseCubanitaRN2b
    I've spoken to people that work for different hospitals around the county and THEY ALL SAY THE SAMETHING.....RN New Grad Hires all start out at the same pay scale.....with the exception that the BSN Grad will have more opportunity for advancement vs an ASN Grad.....

    I currently am a CNA with a Bachelors Degree (Yeah, I know it sounds funny ) and should I be paid more money than a CNA with the same amount of experience as me just because I have a Bachelors Degree (non medical)? I don't think I should....Should I be paid more than an LPN/LVN (Certificate/Diploma) or RN (ASN) because I have a higher degree? Nooooooooooooo......I know it sounds stupid but it's true.....Now an RN (ASN) who might have 5 years experience as a nurse should be paid more than an RN (BSN) fresh out of school? YOU're going on experience here.....But an RN is an RN no matter what degree level....difference is that a BSN has more opportunity for advancement and eventually will be making more money than the RN (ASN).....

    I know it must be frustrating to go through all that education and pay all that money for a BSN and come to find out that the pay scale is almost even when starting out.....Now I know some states only allow BSN to start IV's (California isn't one of them unless it's changed recently) not an ASN, then I can really understand the frustration here because there is a scope of practice that must be followed.....

    Good luck and remember that after you get a BSN you will have accomplished your dream....
  3. by   MacNinni
    The nurse who told you green is green is right. It is experience that counts. If you think you have a problem, consider all the LPNs with YEARS of experience who do incredible work for so much less than the rest of nurses. Also, consider our teachers. They make pittance compared to the staff nurse!!!!! Now, don't misunderstand me, I believe in furthering one's education, and remuneration for it. But, the degrees are just door openers. Experience is what counts. And, down the road the BSN and Master degrees will reward you ---- if you gain that critical experience. I am an ADN nurse with 11 years experience in nursing. I am a mature, professional nurse, who was a newspaper and magazine editor for 20 years before going back to school for nursing. Now I am combining my two careers. It's working for me. Everyone has different goals. However, the most important one in nursing is caring for people. Along with that, comes experience. I have no trouble earning between $70-$80,000 a year as an ADN. Maybe locale is part of your financial problem (I'm from New England, where the pay is considerably better than what you describe), but, you have a more serious problem. Do you really want to be a nurse??? Cause it's not easy. Good luck
  4. by   PickyRN
    I am an ADN RN. I have a 2 year degree, that qualified me to take boards and become a Registered Nurse. My sister-in-law is a BSN. She received an education that qualified her to take boards and become a Registered Nurse. She received more education than I did, but not clinically.

    What is my point? If a BSN grad is "better" than an ADN grad, then they should state that you have to have a BSN to take boards. Obviously this is not the case, so what's all the fuss? An RN is an RN, no matter what degree they have to get there. Everybody knows that most of your education happens AFTER you graduate anyway.

    Saying that you are upset because you make the same $$ as someone with less education is like sitting on a plane and being upset because the guy sitting next to you paid less for his seat. It's not his fault, and the airline shouldn't give you a refund, you agreed to pay for the ticket before you got on the plane.
  5. by   csbaltz
    Amen to that!
    My husband has a mechanical engineering degree and drives a truck.
    All he took for the driving job is a cdl test....makes 30.00 an hr. Go fig!

    By the way...excuse my ignorance on this subject...what is a BSN and ADN? Am I correct to say the B is for the bachelor degree and the A is associates. I'm in transition here as far as getting into the nursing field. After reading all this...I'm wondering if I'm making the right choice or not. Is there anyone out there that is content and happy with where their at, regardless of the B or A thing. I think what it all boils down to is being paid for what your worth along with the time and effort you put into getting that piece of paper. It's called recognition. Am I right or wrong??
    Quote from lovemyjob
    To all of those whose argument is that "we all do the same job:"

    There are very few professions (actually none I can think of) where a higher education does not equate to a higher pay. My husband does not have a 4 year degree and he does not make as much as a person in his position in the same company doing his same job..... the only way he has been able to make this gap smaller is by working harder and smarter than his counterparts."

    Well, I can think of one, besides nursing: airline pilots. It's all about seniority (as in date-of-hire and the kind of equipment you fly.) My DH doesn't have a college degree, although he is one of the smartest, well-read people I know, and he is at the TOP of the food chain at his airline. Most airlines like to hire pilots with degrees, but it isn't only that qualification that will get them in the door or in the left seat. He's currently the Number One Captain (for 235 more days and then he will retire) and makes the same pay as any of the other Captains who fly the same equipment with the same years of experience.

    Again, as in nursing, what you say you know on paper, says nothing as compared to what you can actually demonstrate on the job. Experience is the best teacher: who said that? I don't know. But just having a bunch of alphabet soup behind your name doesn't make you good (or experienced) at anything, and until you can prove you are worth the bucks, employers are right to pay accordingly.

    Because we all take the same licensing exams, I oppose extra premiums for BSN nurses. I'm marginally okay with extra pay for those who choose to go RNC or other extra effort after they become an RN. But even then, most of them are still doing the same job I do as an ADN who is not and who isn't going to become an RNC.
  6. by   Tweety
    Quote from csbaltz

    By the way...excuse my ignorance on this subject...what is a BSN and ADN? Am I correct to say the B is for the bachelor degree and the A is associates. I'm in transition here as far as getting into the nursing field. After reading all this...I'm wondering if I'm making the right choice or not. Is there anyone out there that is content and happy with where their at, regardless of the B or A thing. I think what it all boils down to is being paid for what your worth along with the time and effort you put into getting that piece of paper. It's called recognition. Am I right or wrong??

    You're correct "B" is Bachelor's and "A" is Associates. Both degrees lead to the job of a Registered Nurse. Read some of the threads here on this forum. Many people ask the same question about which degree is right for them.

    The frustration for some is that the time and effort they put into getting the bachelor's degree doesn't have any financial payoff, at least at the beginning as an Associated Degreed nurse can make the same amount of money. However, many people also feel that RN's doing the same job should be paid the same regardless of degree, since they both take the same exam at the end and get the title "RN".
    Last edit by Tweety on May 12, '07
  7. by   Goodoldnurse
    Tweety, you are so right. When a new nurse is on the floor, they are a new nurse on the floor, regardless of the degree they have just earned. The ADN is focused on the bedside (I teach at the ADN level) while the BSN is taught to look more global at any given situation. I got my ADN, then 15 years later finished my BSN and am working on my Masters in Nusing Education. The BSN is trained to work with the community at large, look at the community in regards to disease processes. The BSN nurses are eligible for leadership positions, case management and such. There is a large difference in the degrees, but when they are working side by side on any unit, they are all Registered Nurses. The pay in my state is the same if you are on the unit or the floor. There is a difference for credentialing or management.
    Whaterever the degree, the care is the real reason for going into this field.
    Know that you change peoples lives every day, no matter what level of education you have. Bless you every one!
  8. by   woknblues
    (to nobody in particular, just my thoughts)

    This is one of my main misgivings with licensing in general. The assumption that once a certain license or degree is obtained, that you are somehow qualified to perform the work, and the work that you are doing is somehow better. Education is great, but it simply a base of knowlege that you utilize to perform your job. It doesn't and shouldn't entitle you to more money. If your job is highly specialized, then your compensation will be higher due to supply (low) and demand (high) of your services, and should be negotiated between the employer and employee.

    I worked as an apprentice industrial carpenter. I would arrive to work early, load and check equipment, drive to the work site, complete and get the work signed off work and be back at the shop looking for more work before many journeymen carpenters finished their second pots of coffee trying to impress our phone gal with their miller high life breath... Those guys made $25-$30 dollars an hour (union), while I made $13.... Then, in two years, I made a jr. managers position and started making nearly what they were making, not including overtime. Then after two more years, I made manager and made double what they made.

    My moral to this long drawn out tale is first, construction is the worst field in the world to get into. Second, pay your dues, and you will get on top, but not with a piece of paper, with your attitude, work ethic and determination. Forget the labels, licenses and other "important papers".

    As a BSN-RN, I don't think anyone should be surprised that an ADN-RN makes the same money as you do while you are both doing the same work.

    Having said that, I believe that excellent work should be rewarded financially. Herein lies the heart of my problem with licensing. When the slob that rolls in to work late, complains about everything and does as little as the "job description" allows makes the same amount of compensation as I do, that is when I will get my knickers in a knot. A license is a government regulated piece of paper that once you jump through the proper hoops, you get.

    BSN, btw.
  9. by   lovemyjob
    Quote from laizure
    It took me years to make this statement and mean it:

    "Not everything is about money! Are you happy with your work"

    I live in Silicon Valley, People make upwards of $200k a year in various lines of work. At one time in my life I was making a lot of money, however, I was unhappy with my work. It took me years to get over that fact. I would rather be happy with my work than worry about how much I am paid. Sure, I would like more money, but I am happy.
    I have to get this off my chest:

    No one holds nursing back more than nurses. The statement above included. As long as I am holding a life in my hands, taking on the legal and financial responsibity, I expect to be paid for such. The above attitude will get this profession nowhere. I want to love my job and get paid for the incredible responsibility that I take on.

    I believe this is a nursing issue, not an administrator issue. Until we push for better pay for nurses and a better pay and encouragement for those who have further educated themselves with RNC, higher education, other certifications, we will wallow in a profession of mediocrity.

    I believe if I take the extra effort to prove additional knowledge in a certain area (RNC) then I deserve to be compensated for it. It looks good for the unit/hospital (magnet loves it.) A nurse doesnt pass the cert exam and not know anything. Why, then, do nurses not demand a higher pay for passing this exam? I didnt study for my health. In order to keep the certification, I have to take additional CEUs that prove I am keeping abreast with the latest research. Why are there nurses on here that say it doesnt make a nurse a better nurse? I learned a lot through my studies and I apply what I learned to my patient care. Because I passed the test, I Proved that I have additional clinical knowledge of my pt's disease process and management. I believe that makes me a better nurse. I said it, flame me. A better nurse and a more valuable nurse. So, I should get paid more.

    Until we celebrate our fellow nurses achievements in education, oppose to downplaying the acheivement "well it doesnt make them better than me.." we will continue to be treated by administration the same way.

    As long as we