Published
Or, $7,500 if you just want her virtually. Good to know that negligent homicide is such a lucrative endeavor.
Corey Narry said:We don't know much details...
first, please speak for yourself
second, do you know who DID have all of the details - facts admitted as evidence - and who where then instructed on the law and charged with sorting through it all to make a determination?
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the jury
JKL33 said:As we have said quite a few times in this thread and others, she did not come forward. She was presented with the vial of vecuronium and asked if that is what she gave the patient.
I have a problem with this assumption. Ms Vaught did not know she gave the wrong med but she did not totally forget about this patient when a code blue was called in Nuc Med. She said, per her account and not verbatim (since I listened to her account hours ago), that she went down with the charge nurse to Nuc Med to find that the code team already intubated the patient. She helped in stabilizing the patient including the transfer back to her unit where she was also present helping out.
The primary nurse then approached her to ask if indeed the vial of vecuronium was the medication she used to give the patient and she said yes. She then mustered enough strength to come up to the patient's room where providers were deliberating on what happened and she interrupted and admitted the reason for all this is her fault. Even if you don't think you could ever commit such a mistake and she is the worst nurse ever, take a moment to put yourself in her shoes in that very moment.
I don't know Ms Vaught enough to say that had she been aware of the mistake and had any means to cover her tracks she would have done so. I doubt that this is something anyone can make.
Corey Narry said:I have a problem with this assumption. Ms Vaught did not know she gave the wrong med but she did not totally forget about this patient when a code blue was called in Nuc Med. She said, per her account and not verbatim (since I listened to her account hours ago), that she went down with the charge nurse to Nuc Med to find that the code team already intubated the patient. She helped in stabilizing the patient including the transfer back to her unit where she was also present helping out.
The primary nurse then approached her to ask if indeed the vial of vecuronium was the medication she used to give the patient and she said yes. She then mustered enough strength to come up to the patient's room where providers were deliberating on what happened and she interrupted and admitted the reason for all this is her fault. Even if you don't think you could ever commit such a mistake and she is the worst nurse ever, take a moment to put yourself in her shoes in that very moment.
It would be a horrifying moment for her. Made worse by the realization that she had just stumbled through step after step of disregarding any and all safety checkpoints. And I mean every single one.
What for her alternatives in that moment? I guess she could have run out of the hospital never to be seen again
mtmkjr said:It would be a horrifying moment for her. Made worse by the realization that she had just stumbled through step after step of disregarding any and all safety checkpoints. And I mean every single one.
What for her alternatives in that moment? I guess she could have run out of the hospital never to be seen again
People respond to stress in various ways. I actually admired her response despite the fact that I also believe she made an egregious mistake and deserve the consequences of losing her job and her license. We have had previous heated discussions about the criminal charges thrown at her and I am not here to argue that aspect of the case. I am here to say that seeing and listening to her story in her own words does illuminate some things for me. I believe she is remorseful and people express remorse in many different ways.
mtmkjr said:It would be a horrifying moment for her. Made worse by the realization that she had just stumbled through step after step of disregarding any and all safety checkpoints. And I mean every single one.
What for her alternatives in that moment? I guess she could have run out of the hospital never to be seen again
Yes, I agree that is must have been a nauseating, painful experience. But the problem is that she is attempting to make a living from her recklessness when she needed to exit the stage.
Oldmember said:As an LPN, after 1.5 years working in the stepdown, they finally got me to do an orientation. I always tell them to make lists of the questions and do not bother me unless it's life and death situation.
Good practice! Something Ms Vaught did not adhere to and I'm sure there are other nurses who are not self-aware they fall easy prey to distractions in crucial moments sometimes.
Corey Narry said:How did you arrive at this assumption?
I read your previous post to JKL where you equate her admission of an error as something she did put of the blue rather than admitting it when the evidence was put to herself you must have not read the entire thread or you would have known that. And secondly, it doesn't matter how painful the forced admission was, it's how she is making a business out of her dereliction of a simple duty to read the label. I'd have .ore sympathy for her if she just left the scene never to be heard of.again.
She's the nurse that makes people frightened of being hospitalized.
subee said:I read your previous post to JKL where you equate her admission of an error as something she did put of the blue rather than admitting it when the evidence was put to herself you must have not read the entire thread or you would have known that. And secondly, it doesn't matter how painful the forced admission was, it's how she is making a business out of her dereliction of a simple duty to read the label. I'd have .ore sympathy for her if she just left the scene never to be heard of.again.
She's the nurse that makes people frightened of being hospitalized.
Well for the record I have followed this case closely and was active in the early discussions about it under a different handle. I have read all the documents and the only missing piece is seeing and hearing Ms Vaught's perspective. Legal documents don't give all the context. Court proceedings are regimental and can be fragmented. I found value in seeing Ms Vaught talk about her experience.
You don't have to have any ounce of sympathy for her and you're part of the majority here. But you also don't have control of what Ms Vaught does. You don't have to go to her talks either. You also don't have access to her 1099 forms to know that she is profiting from her mistake. She lived on a farm in rural Tennessee all along with her husband even prior to the case. I'm not her friend and know nothing else about her life but I found her to be a human being who made an egregious mistake.
Hopefully as an experienced NP, I don't make a mistake that causes harm. It won't have to involve 5 rights as I do not administer meds but healthcare is a scary environment where people are forced to multi-task and work long hours with many patients to see.
Corey Narry said:She then mustered enough strength to come up to the patient's room where providers were deliberating on what happened and she interrupted and admitted the reason for all this is her fault. Even if you don't think you could ever commit such a mistake and she is the worst nurse ever, take a moment to put yourself in her shoes in that very moment.
What were the realistic alternatives in that scenario? Walk right straight out of the hospital? Say, "it wasn't me, it must have been some other nurse?" State "I gave her the med but I didn't put that vecuronium in that bag that has my writing on it, it was Versed?"
I don't really think she had a lot of alternatives but I will agree that yes, regardless, it was proper of her to participate so that the team could understand what was going on.
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Good to know, definitely don't bother someone when getting meds ready.