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pjsmomster

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I've been reading these forums for some time now and they are so disgusting. I attended Everest for LPN & part of my clinical experience was in a hospital with other nursing students from a non-profit BSN program. I'm pretty sure we didn't do anything differently then they did. We were rotated to different units and personally I learned and experienced a lot. Nurses do eat their young and for some reason instead of using this website as a resource and for encouragement its used for near malicious bashing. And while I'm on the topic Breckinridge/ITT has clinical rotations at some of the best hospitals in my area. I won't continue but I think a few people should reconsider posting.

NurseAaliyah

31 Posts

if someone wants to spend outrageous money to attend a for profit school because they don't want to jump through the hoops that a traditional nursing school will take them through, then that is their prerogative. i personally would never spend more money thanwhat is required even if that means waiting. at the end of the day, everyone has to live with the choices that aremade and in this case pay back large sums of money to these schools.

SummitRN, BSN, RN

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Hey, I guess it is possible that ITT will run their nursing program at an entirely different level than they run all of their other programs. I sure hope they do. Their other programs produce subpar to utterly unqualified graduates who paid 10x the cost of a community college. I know. I've worked with them in other fields. Most of them bought the bill of goods they were sold by ITT while in school, but hated ITT after they'd hit the real world and realized they were sold short. One of the angriest ones I ever met had an associates in electronics technology from ITT and was doing the same menial job that I was doing for a summer job while in highschool. I knew more about electronics than he did. I really hope ITT isn't doing that in nursing too like many other for-profits.

In my area, most of the for-profits have an awful reputation. During my OB rotation at a large hospital, I encountered a for-profit ADN student in her final practicum. She said her final rotation was the first time she'd been in a hospital. The rest were in nursing homes. Another said hers were almost all in a doctors office. My peds rotation which was 72 hours of ped surgical floor, 16 of peds onc and cardiology, and 8 of what could described as respite care for developmentally disabled kids. That last 8 hours involved no nursing care. I met students from two other for-profits. One said that location was her entire peds clinical. The other was half there, half in an after-hours clinic where she wasnt allowed to do any nursing; she could only observe.

The difference between a for-profit and a non-profit in education is huge. For-profit wants every dollar they can, then uses most of the revenue for marketing, executive bonuses, and shareholder payouts. Non-profits instead use that money to reinvest in the school. Guess who cares about reputation versus shareholder value?

Specializes in Hospital Education Coordinator.

the schools are planning ahead for when the baby boomers all retire. Remember, not everyone who starts nursing school finishes, so there will be wiggle room. Really the same as other industries. I might get a degree in aeronautic engineering but that does not guarantee I will get a job at NASA

SummitRN, BSN, RN

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Aeronautical engineering was my grandfather's degree. Nobody offers that degree anymore. (He did work for NASA for 30 years.)

You don't plan ahead for a projected shortage by dumping a ton of nurses on the market who won't have job fors several years: such graduates stale, expire, burn out, and leave defeating the intent. However, that is not the intent of many of the nursing schools. The new ones that are opening are mostly for-profit schools looking to make a quick buck.

elkpark

14,633 Posts

Aeronautical engineering was my grandfather's degree. Nobody offers that degree anymore. (He did work for NASA for 30 years.)

(Not to go off topic, but this statement caught my eye -- I just spoke earlier this week to an 18 yo college student who is doing an undergraduate degree in aeronautical engineering. The degree programs are still around. Embry-Riddle in Daytona Beach is an entire university devoted to aeronautics.)

TheCommuter, BSN, RN

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The degree programs are still around. Embry-Riddle in Daytona Beach is an entire university devoted to aeronautics.)
The location is not surprising at all. Daytona Beach is just north of Cape Canaveral and the portion of Florida's East Coast that is known as the Space Coast. IMO, it's a perfect location for someone who wishes to study aeronautical engineering.

elkpark

14,633 Posts

The location is not surprising at all. Daytona Beach is just north of Cape Canaveral and the portion of Florida's East Coast that is known as the Space Coast. IMO, it's a perfect location for someone who wishes to study aeronautical engineering.

Yes, I grew up there, and went to school with the kids of the NASA engineers working on the space program. That was an exciting time. And I recall reading that, at that time, my county in FL had the highest per capita rate of PhDs in the US.

SummitRN, BSN, RN

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Specializes in ICU + Infection Prevention.
(Not to go off topic, but this statement caught my eye -- I just spoke earlier this week to an 18 yo college student who is doing an undergraduate degree in aeronautical engineering. The degree programs are still around. Embry-Riddle in Daytona Beach is an entire university devoted to aeronautics.)

Negative. They offer Aerospace Engineering. "Aeronautical Engineering was my grandfathers degree," was both a literal and figurative statement. ;)

Nolli

236 Posts

I go to a private for profit 4 year school. I ended up going here because I wanted to go to nursing school and get a BSN out of it because in my area a lot of the hospitals won't even look at you without one because of Magnet. All of the 4 year schools I applied for except 1 were public institutions and liked to play games.

I was accepted for admission there, but they had changed my major and told me that if I wanted to become a nurse I should do a year as a biology major and if my grades were good enough then I could apply if they had room in that class. Another school changed my major to undecided and tried to talk me out of nursing making sales pitches for other majors. I said no thanks to both as I was nearly completed my pre-reqs at that time and didn't want to gamble that I might get into school based on how full the class was and then be stuck. I didn't cut in line I had to take the same pre-reqs as anyone else and in some cases more since a lot of the schools didn't require chem or only required one college level chem where I had to do two. Yes I pay through the nose, but all the other public schools refused to give me a straight answer or tried to find another way to get me to go there without giving me a nursing seat. While my school surely makes a profit off of me the pass rate averages between 97% to 99%(I did my homework before I applied) and the instructors are fantastic along with the clinicals and the lab. That said the attrition rate is high and the courses are not for the faint of heart. We have 10 week quarters and go to school year round. I feel that if anything its harder than the non-profs and state or community colleges (I'm not being elitist just saying for profit doesn't always push students through the program is all).

SummitRN, BSN, RN

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While my school surely makes a profit off of me the pass rate averages between 97% to 99%(I did my homework before I applied) ... That said the attrition rate is high

The difference is a for-profit might let in 75-90% of "qualified applicants," then fail out 50-75% of them, and the school made a profit off everyone they failed out. Those folks have debt and no license.

The non-profit merit entry program might let in 3-25% of "qualified applicants" and fail out 0-15% of them while acheiving a similar pass rate.

One could say you pay your money, you take your chances, but is the school being up front about their attrition rate?

elkpark

14,633 Posts

Negative. They offer Aerospace Engineering. "Aeronautical Engineering was my grandfathers degree," was both a literal and figurative statement. ;)

(My bad -- thank you for correcting me.)

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