Questioning the nurse during clinical

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While I was at my last clinical the patient I was assigned had dementia and pulled her foley out prior to day shifts arrival. The nurse taking care of the patient had let me watch her put another one in and was fantastic about explaining the procedure to me. As the morning wore on the patient complained more and more often of needing to go to the bathroom and feeling a lot of pressure. I palpated her abdomen and it was slightly distended and firm. The foley bag only had a tiny amount of urine in it after being in for hours. I was worried about the placement (At that point I had not had a catheter lab and was unsure of the proper amount that was supposed to drain and if you could misplace a catheter.) I alerted her nurse who came in to assess the patient. She told me that the foley was okay and it was probably the balloon that was causing the pressure.

All though I have grown friendly with this nurse and feel like she is a great RN I was uncomfortable and went to my instructor who also came in to assess the patient. Instead of telling me that I was right or wrong she asked me what I thought my best course of action would be. I decided to get the bladder scanner and see how much urine was actually in the bladder before I went back to get the RN in charge of the patient.

As it turns out, I was wrong. There wasn't a huge amount of urine in the bladder, the amount of urine in the bag was normal and I felt like a complete idiot. To make matters worse, while we were doing the scan the RN came in and stayed for the entire time. I was so embarrassed and apologized to her once we were out of the room and said I was out of line for questioning her.

To my complete and total amazement she told me not to ever apologize for advocating for my patient. That I didn't actually do anything wrong and if I was concerned about a patient and felt like something was the matter to always go with my gut and not to ignore a potential problem because I didn't know as much as the person that was in charge. Then she winked and said don't ever question me again though and it was over.

My instructor congratulated on beginning to think like a nurse and even though I still feel like a moron for the whole thing it did end up boosting my confidence in myself.

I know situations like this don't always end up on a positive note and I understand that not everyone would react as the RN did when she was questioned by an SN but it taught me a powerful lesson on what it means to be a patient advocate and learning to trust my judgement (even though I was wrong) when it comes to caring for another person.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Rehab.

Great job! I think the way you carried yourself was really exemplary. As previous posters said, we are all human and we can all make mistakes. Sometimes your gut feeling might be the right call, and the primary RN may not get a feeling about a particular situation. Though I do find that people often complain of Foley catheters and the urge to void. The catheter bypasses the sphincter and that irritation can cause the urge to void. Your assessment and interventions were within your scope and showed good critical thinking.

Specializes in Med-Surg, NICU.

Questioning is expected, but just be respectful and don't question the nurse in front of the patient (or so I've been told). Otherwise, I don't think you did anything wrong.

Specializes in NICU.

You done good. :p Nurses are human, we all make mistakes. It's important, however to be respectful and professional, which it sounds like you were. If nothing else, this was a great learning opportunity re: troubleshooting a foley.

While I was at my last clinical the patient I was assigned had dementia and pulled her foley out prior to day shifts arrival. The nurse taking care of the patient had let me watch her put another one in and was fantastic about explaining the procedure to me. As the morning wore on the patient complained more and more often of needing to go to the bathroom and feeling a lot of pressure. I palpated her abdomen and it was slightly distended and firm. The foley bag only had a tiny amount of urine in it after being in for hours. I was worried about the placement (At that point I had not had a catheter lab and was unsure of the proper amount that was supposed to drain and if you could misplace a catheter.) I alerted her nurse who came in to assess the patient. She told me that the foley was okay and it was probably the balloon that was causing the pressure.

All though I have grown friendly with this nurse and feel like she is a great RN I was uncomfortable and went to my instructor who also came in to assess the patient. Instead of telling me that I was right or wrong she asked me what I thought my best course of action would be. I decided to get the bladder scanner and see how much urine was actually in the bladder before I went back to get the RN in charge of the patient.

As it turns out, I was wrong. There wasn't a huge amount of urine in the bladder, the amount of urine in the bag was normal and I felt like a complete idiot. To make matters worse, while we were doing the scan the RN came in and stayed for the entire time. I was so embarrassed and apologized to her once we were out of the room and said I was out of line for questioning her.

To my complete and total amazement she told me not to ever apologize for advocating for my patient. That I didn't actually do anything wrong and if I was concerned about a patient and felt like something was the matter to always go with my gut and not to ignore a potential problem because I didn't know as much as the person that was in charge. Then she winked and said don't ever question me again though and it was over.

My instructor congratulated on beginning to think like a nurse and even though I still feel like a moron for the whole thing it did end up boosting my confidence in myself.

I know situations like this don't always end up on a positive note and I understand that not everyone would react as the RN did when she was questioned by an SN but it taught me a powerful lesson on what it means to be a patient advocate and learning to trust my judgement (even though I was wrong) when it comes to caring for another person.

Great story

Specializes in geriatrics,wound care,hospice.

Bravo! You grew your judgement that day-don't feel like a moron,feel like your nursing education(classroom content+clinical rotationsxREAL LIFE EXPERIENCE= a well rounded nursing student,who will be up to the tremendous task of being a nurse. Go ahead,flex that judgement-doesn't it feel bigger and stronger?

Yes it really does!!

You did the most appropriate thing by getting your instructor in the loop. I have only had issues when a student takes on something like this on his/her own. Whether it is a clinical concern or a personality/attitude mis-fit, instructors are PAID not only to help you learn ("What do YOU think should be done?") but also to run interference when there is a rude, incompetent, or just plain cranky staff member taking it out on a student. We are there to keep you safe clinically and socially/professionally!!

you did great! AS an RN, I would probably have bladder scanned to be sure (but I'm a new nurse and like to check myself too). You should have questioned it and it was okay to second guess her opinion/assessment. No nurse is perfect and sometimes you just have to question things. It's about the patient, not a nurse's ego. Fortunately you were lucky to have a nurse that gets that - there are MANY nurse's out there that are all about their own ego. just watch out for it and expect that.

Specializes in ED, ICU, PSYCH, PP, CEN.

Good job. Failure to rescue is a huge issue and I see it way to often. I have been criticized for jumping the gun too early on suspicious symptoms, but I have saved more than one life because of this. It is better for me to look crazy, than for a pt to die because I din't want to look stupid. Sounds like that nurse was okay. She winked and made a joke at the end.

I love it when my students ask me about stuff.

Wow, that was definitely an experience, pretty scary, I think you did a great job! Thank you for sharing!

You understood both parts: what you need to do and how to go about it appropriately.

. As for the nurse saying "don't ever question her again", is totally out of line.

I'm hoping you said this because you missed the wink as she said it. Without humor, what do we have left? Sounds like it was a truly awesome RN who did good by the student AND her patient.

good job, OP.

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