Question for RNs. . . current nursing problems.

TheCommuter, BSN, RN · Nov 23, 2007

:welcome:

Although I'm a lowly LVN, I'll still answer your question with the hope that it will help you out. I welcome the RNs to expand on what I have already conjured up.

1. The lack of respect from doctors, patients, family members, coworkers, managers, and society

2. The increase in accountability for patient outcomes, without the corresponding increase in salary

3. The fact that new nurses are churned out into the workforce every 6 months, further saturating the job market for nursing

4. The general consensus that nurses are warm bodies who simply fill shifts

5. The low workplace morale that can often be observed at many healthcare facilities

6. The low self-esteems and passive aggression of some nurses

7. The increase in lateral workplace harassment

8. The public's very outdated perception of the nursing profession

9. The fact that there is a myriad of different ways to become a nurse (LPN, ADN, BSN, MSN, Ph.d)

10. The female domination of the nursing profession

11. The desire for hospital administrators to maximize profit margins, without regard to nursing staff or patient safety

12. The practice of recruiting new nurses, rather than the retention of highly experienced nurses

13. The expectation that nurses can "do it all" while working understaffed, and lacking supplies

14. The lack of integrity of some members of the interdisciplinary team (i.e., the admissions rep who will allow anyone to be admitted if the insurance is good)

15. The expectation that the nurse is also the customer service rep, bellhop, concierge, waitress, clerk, messenger, courier, pillow fluffer, and receptionist

classicdame, MSN, EdD · Nov 23, 2007

I don't agree with everything said in the previous post, but I do think we ought to have a minimum education requirement of BSN for all nurses. This statement will cause a furor, but it is my opinion. There is a big difference between training and education.

marie-francoise · Nov 23, 2007

See this thread:

https://allnurses.com/forums/f8/what-do-you-think-current-major-problems-nursing-261868.html

Larry in Florida · Nov 24, 2007

I don't agree with everything said in the previous post, but I do think we ought to have a minimum education requirement of BSN for all nurses. This statement will cause a furor, but it is my opinion. There is a big difference between training and education.

You don't have a clue!

Larry RN in Florida ASN

mercymimi · Nov 24, 2007

You don't have a clue!
Larry RN in Florida ASN

I'll say. That comment really torqued me, bad enough to sign up here. I am in school to eventually earn an RN, however if I were to be in a BSN program, I may not be able to finish due to circumstances beyond my control. Then where would I be??

I'm perfectly willing to take the hard classes, AFTER I earn my RN. I have a lot to lose. Do/did the poster that said that have a lot to lose when they earned their BSN??? I have a family, a mortgage, 2 car payments, a part-time job, and 2 kids. Throw a tough class and an illness into that (mess) and guess what, I'm gone.

jmking · Nov 26, 2007

I don't agree with everything said in the previous post, but I do think we ought to have a minimum education requirement of BSN for all nurses. This statement will cause a furor, but it is my opinion. There is a big difference between training and education.

No comment:madface:

TheCommuter, BSN, RN · Nov 26, 2007

I don't agree with everything said in the previous post, but I do think we ought to have a minimum education requirement of BSN for all nurses. This statement will cause a furor, but it is my opinion. There is a big difference between training and education.

70 (seventy) percent of the current nursing workforce in the U.S. is comprised of RNs who are educated at the ADN/ASN level. Unless more BSN programs were to quickly come into existence, your dream of an all-BSN nursing workforce will remain just that: a dream.

Various associations have been advocating the BSN as a minimum educational requirement for nurses throughout the course of the past 40+ years, and the change still has not been made.

TrudyRN · Nov 27, 2007

To the OP: the above comments about this one topic, what the minimum requirement to be called "RN" should be, reflects what the most basic problem is in Nursing - the lack of unity among nurses.

If nurses were unified the way workers in other fields are, such as the Teamsters, auto workers, and other union workers, we could fight our enemies instead of fighting each other. The enemies are the employers who like to use us up and then discard us.

Another major problem is the insurers. They have a stranglehold on health care, they just want to rake in premiums but never pay for anything. That causes hospitals, nursing homes, etc. to cut staff, such as nurses. Low staffing leads to all the other troubles, which are listed so well by The Commuter up above.

Good luck with your project and with school.

juicyjake · Dec 2, 2007

I don't think a BSN should be a MUST.

I do think that a BSN nurse should be paid more than someone with an associates or a diploma. Don't you agree?

This could be some of the problem concerning the lack of unity among nurses.

If I went to school for four years, and paid 10 times as much as someone who went to school for 2 years, but we are both getting paid the same; wouldn't that cause some desension amongst each other?

p.s. We have strayed way off topic....

There are soooo many problems with nursing. We are all aware of them. Now what can we do to fix them?! Can anyone give a definite solution to one of the 15 problems posted by the OP?

outcomesfirst, BSN, RN · Dec 16, 2007

:welcome:
Although I'm a lowly LVN, I'll still answer your question with the hope that it will help you out. I welcome the RNs to expand on what I have already conjured up.
1. The lack of respect from doctors, patients, family members, coworkers, managers, and society
2. The increase in accountability for patient outcomes, without the corresponding increase in salary
3. The fact that new nurses are churned out into the workforce every 6 months, further saturating the job market for nursing
4. The general consensus that nurses are warm bodies who simply fill shifts
5. The low workplace morale that can often be observed at many healthcare facilities
6. The low self-esteems and passive aggression of some nurses
7. The increase in lateral workplace harassment
8. The public's very outdated perception of the nursing profession
9. The fact that there is a myriad of different ways to become a nurse (LPN, ADN, BSN, MSN, Ph.d)
10. The female domination of the nursing profession
11. The desire for hospital administrators to maximize profit margins, without regard to nursing staff or patient safety
12. The practice of recruiting new nurses, rather than the retention of highly experienced nurses
13. The expectation that nurses can "do it all" while working understaffed, and lacking supplies
14. The lack of integrity of some members of the interdisciplinary team (i.e., the admissions rep who will allow anyone to be admitted if the insurance is good)
15. The expectation that the nurse is also the customer service rep, bellhop, concierge, waitress, clerk, messenger, courier, pillow fluffer, and receptionist

Possible solutions: (From my personal perspective)

1. Respect is both given and earned from within. I would not work in an environment that did not provide a level of respect to me and those around me. If I found myself in such a situation I would have to leave.

2. Nurses are always accountable for their actions - I do not believe there has been an "increase" in nurses being "held" accountable for their actions; I think nurses are being held (finally) accountable for things they should have always been doing...elevating heads of beds, safely and promptly giving medicine, teaching patients why they should not smoke, following orders, protecting patients (time out anyone?), and documenting why and when they can't.

How much should a nurse be paid for doing the job? Nursing salaries are not a secret...nurses make what they always have...the myths out there about fantastic money have always been over blown.

3. Churning...not so much...passing licensure in record numbers...not so much...lack of qualified educators and facilities...yes...retiring in record numbers...yes. Please see http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol10no11/pdfs/04-0253.pdf

4. The general concensus I am aware of is of smart angels who work very hard.

5. Low moral versus unhappy people versus perception......career change? Work change? Why would a group of individuals so unhappy stay together?

6. Low self esteem is an individual assessment. Passive aggressive behavior is a sociological phenomena that is tolerated by too many bobble heads who do not speak up and confront this behavior.

7. I had to look into this one...see http://nursingworld.org/mods/mod440/lateralfull.htm some helpful ideas here and also please see response #1.

8. Who gives the public their perception? TV/Movies? Well there you go...if you buy into that, that is another discussion. My peers, colleugues, friends, family and extended family are very clear on what and who nurses are.

9. The age old argument...well my perspective is there are excellent CNAs, LPNs, 2 year RNs, BSNs, MSNs, and there are horrific CNAs, LPNs, 2 year RNs, BSNs, MSNs. There is room and need for all and this is not a clear cut issue.

10. Are there more females in nursing...yes. Is that changing...yes. 'Domination' is not good for anything, well except in protecting your life. Have females been traditional nurturers and caregivers...yes...are females hardwired for this behavior???? Is this a good thing????? Can there ever be equality???? Will men ever 'dominate' nursing? No, not so much. Hmmmmm, I will need many hours and lots of wine to resolve this one.

11. People are greedy every where. We are all guilty of this one. Some administrators are "greedy" in order to keep the doors open and some are greedy to get their bonus. Who is best served? The community without a hospital or the community with a hospital, but less than desired staffing?

12. The new always replaces the old, as they should, because the old dies. Are there bad, experienced, greedy nurses who need to be replaced? Sometimes. Does time served equal quality? Not in my experience. New grads do make less, but are there hospitals with quality problems and the same staff for 20 years? Yes. I, personnally, have never seen admin come in and get rid of high quality, experienced nurses just so they can hire less expensive new grads...so I reject the premise.

13. Nurses can do it all..that's what makes us so valuable. That said...if a nurse is working in an environment where they are expected to cook, clean, repair, scrounge and document at the same time, I suggest they get a new job. If a nurse feels overwhelmed by their work load, I suggest they discuss the situation wih a peer or boss and if they cannot resolve the issue...get a new job. Life is too short.

14. If a professional nurse is working in a situation where the admissions rep decides who gets admitted to the hospital, this nurse should get a new profession, because I cannot believe they are a nurse with a conscience.

15. Nurses are all of these things for patients who cannot care for themselves. There is nothing unexpected, demeaning or untoward in a nurse fluffing a pillow, hanging up pajamas, answering the phone, getting a dish of ice cream, calming a family member, or reading the mail. If there is abuse, nurses own some of it for allowing it to continue.

I guess what I am trying to say is this. Nursing is a choice. If you do not like something in your situation...do something. Leave follow or get out of the way is never more true when applied to today's nurses. People who complain without action further drag down nurses. Worse, people who support and perpetuate bad situations through the - dare I say it - passive aggressive stand of "this is where I work, I can't move my family, I can't drive that far, there are no other jobs near me, I've already been here 10, 15, 20 years, I can't go back to school, I have bills, family, etc" are perhaps root causes of many of the issues nursing is facing. There are no surprises in money and I resent the continuing statements that nurses are not paid enough - Here me now- no one is ever paid enough in the serving - and yes you hear me - serving professions. Not nurses, cops, fireman, teachers, soldiers, social workers, burger flippers or the guy at 7-11. Nurse salary information is and always has been readily available. People confuse the ability to be gainfully employed with unrealistic expectations for incomes. Please see the post about an optomitrist who wants to be a nurse so he can make 100-120K per year- paleez.

Finally, to the OP, I think additional research is needed and then extrapolated and applied into why nursing is chosen as a profession. Then the information should be honestly marketed and applied to individuals seeking to be a nurse. I also think additional research is needed on what defines quality nursing and what constitutes a high quality, cost effective care delivery model and then that should be implemented.

Wow, do I feel better.....

CVSICU20 · Dec 19, 2007

Hello I am new to this website, but I am a new nursing student working on getting information for a research paper I am writing. Since I do not know any nurses myself I have had a hard time communicating with nurses and found this website to be the best I could do so if there is anyone out there willing to give me a couple minutes of your time I would greatly appreciate it!!!
The topic I am working on is registered nurses and their perception of current nursing problems. So my question to you is what is at least one current nursing problem that you would consider siginificant and what are your feelings about this?
Thank you again for your time it is GREATLY appreciated!!!!!

WOW! All she asked is what is wrong with nursing. I don't think that ASN vs BSN is the problem or I would have been out of a job many many years ago, although I did go back and get my BS at a later date, with the promise of a higher wage that never materalized. The hospitals now consider patients customers and there is a much harder drive for that bottom $$$$$. Management wants to make more money without expending more fta's, that means more patients per nurse. The Doctors have not given us anymore respect, although we are responsible for more intense task/duties than we were a few years ago ie inserting PICC'S, pulling chest tubes, removing pacing wires. Because of the medical oriented shows on television, the public "think" that they are medically savy, and some are because they have access to the internet, but do they understand all that they see and read. They let you know that they do, so you need to have alot of patience and understanding as you help them through their loved ones health problems. Medicare and JACHO have tremendous guidelines that they expect us to abide by or the hospital will not be able to keep their doors open ie. no job for nurse, therapist and all other personnel. The list is overwhelming if you would want to dwell on it, but we all go out there day and night and care for the sick because they need a tender touch, a gentle voice and an unwavering desire to make the ill better than what you found them at the beginning of your shift. That is why you start and continue being a NURSE, no matter what the initials are behind your name. I have had many LPN's and aides that were much better people and nurses than those that had a PHD in nursing. The problems in nursing is individual and what you make them is your perception either positive or negative. Ok, this is toooo long, but the question is like opening pandora's box! From some one who has been in nursing since before most of you were born!