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Hope For RN's, thank you for your reply, I am excited to learn of someone who has or is attending clarkson college EdD. program. This is my school of choice to further my education, my only hold up has been could I conduct my actual dissertation research with surveys, and such online? because I live remotely and am two hours at minimum to a community college and half a day a way from the nearest university. So from a practical hands on approach could this be feasible for me to do? I have heard back in the blog post above that this could be possible so I just want to know what your take is on it? Thank you, Lyndsay As for the CNE I did more research into this as well just like other certifications too I didn't realize the increase in pay for your nursing license through the state. So I can see the other point in this as well, because I totally understand the frustration of not feeling like your MSN degree has been considered "enough" in teaching. I think the transitioning from bedside to nursing educator needs to be of a better system period.

Thank you for this insight!! so helpful!!

Hello Professor Cait, Congratulations, that is so wonderful! Yes, If I do return to school for a doctorate, I will plan on the educational doctorate route. However, I do have a random question for you when researching for your dissertation-Are you able to apply secondary research into your study? The main reason I am asking is that I live so remotely, and I am worried that if I am to go further in my education from a practical sense will I be able to complete or perform it... The nearest community college is on the other side of the state and whatnot. So that is what is holding me back and makes me a little nervous to continue. I hope that you could provide me with some insight. Thank you for your reply, Lyndsay

Khanna, That sounds Great! I am sure you will be accepted into Liberty's online program! Another tidbit for your own personal thoughts as I have heard this but I am not sure as to "how true it is" but that if you are wanting to teach in a university setting that "tenure" is not offered to DNP teachers. Again, I am not sure and I don't want to spread false misleading information but I did hear of this and so I am not sure how to navigate that? As for myself, I graduated MSN nurse educator program at the time becasue the CNE is also brand new certification you needed two full years of teaching experience in a academic setting in order to apply to take the test. Therefore it's been something that yes! I definitely wanted to take but didn't think I was eligible quite yet. My other smalltown girl problems that I have is that I happened to live in a very remote village! I had more than full expectations to move from this area in which I could work in a brick and mortar building however Covid struck and other life responsibilities have plagued me. In the meantime I have been looking for maybe something teaching online as a side hustle until I can locate elsewhere but that has not boded me very well. I was also thinking that If I am in a rut here that I could always go back for the doctorate degree and that is what I have been debating as to what is the best move for myself until my circumstances change. However, after I seen your post asking me about the CNE certification I decided to look back and it has been revised as of July 1, 2021. The eligibility requirements have changed and therefore I am eligible now to receive this and this gives me hope and Yes I am definitely looking into taking this. I will post the link here: This handbook contains information about the Certified Nurse Educator Examination developed by the National League for Nursing (nln.org) http://www.nln.org/docs/default-source/default-document-library/cne-handbook-2021_revised_07-01-2021.pdf?sfvrsn=2 Eligibility Requirements Pursuing certification as an Academic Nurse Educator – designated as CNE -- should be a goal for those who have carefully reviewed the test blueprint and the eligibility requirements and determine that their educational and experiential qualifications have provided sufficient opportunity to participate meaningfully in the full scope of the faculty role. All eligibility criteria for initial certification must be met at the time of application. Option A: Must meet criteria 1 & 2 1. Licensure: Documentation of valid licensure/ certificate or other documentation of unencumbered practice in the country of residence. 2. Education: A master’s or doctoral degree in nursing with: • a major emphasis in nursing education or • post-master’s certificate in nursing education or • nine or more credit hours of graduate-level education courses * Examples of acceptable graduate-level education courses include: Curriculum Development and Evaluation; Instructional Design; Principles of Adult Learning; Assessment/Measurement & Evaluation; Principles of Teaching and Learning; Instructional Technology. NOTE: Graduate-level research or statistics courses do not count toward this requirement. Option B: Must meet criteria 1, 2 & 3 1. Licensure: Documentation of valid licensure/ certificate or other documentation of unencumbered practice in the country of residence. 2. Education: A master’s or doctoral degree in nursing (with a major emphasis in a role other than nursing education). 3. Experience: Two years or more employment in a nursing program in an academic institution within the last five years. Disclaimer The Certified Nurse Educator exam was developed to measure competence in the full scope of the academic nurse educator practice role. Even though the CNE® eligibility criteria have been expanded to include new graduates of master’s and doctoral programs focused in nursing education, the test itself was not developed as a measure of graduate program outcomes. Any individual who wishes to appeal the determination of compliance with CNE® eligibility requirements must submit a written request with supporting documentation. For more information please email [email protected] or call (618) 534-0294 I will also let you know too that I went back to school and received my post masters graduate certificate in nursing administration. So I know you stated your masters was in nursing administration is Liberty University's DNP program in Nursing Education? I know there are DNP nurse educator programs out there like Regis University and whatnot - I think would qualify you for option A pathway. But too if you are in a regular DNP program than I would make sure to take those graduate teaching courses. I think having a CNE would make you a more attractive candidate to an employer. Plus in a realistic logical perspective I read the average age of the nursing instructor is 63 years - so these people are looking to retire and rightfully so. I don't believe they are going to go through and take the certification when one they are getting ready to retire and two to prove to do a job they have been doing for x amount of years. So I think for us coming into the profession it's probably a good move to have in order to stay competitive. Thanks for drawing my attention back to this as like I said I looked at it a couple of years ago and thought I couldnt do it yet and now I can so I have hope for this I am going to be looking into this a lot harder too! I wish you all the best luck!!

Hello Khanna123, I am really intrigued with the EdD route for education as I feel it speaks for true teaching and what I am looking to accomplish. However, I will say when I am looking at nursing instructor position postings - I am literally seeing "remote nurse teaching jobs" -seriously look through indeed.com. that will actually take a Masters degree but it's specific to FNP's only and I cant help but think what a slap to those of us who have taken the masters of nursing education degree program. I also think what a slap too that universities who pump out these degrees will not hire remote master degree nurse educators - do they not stand behind or believe in the education they promote? But off my tangent, the other postings that I see requiring a doctorate degree really speak loud to DNP's. So, I am on the fence if I should just take a DNP route versus a ED.D. But Clarkson College looks to be a really good program. They claim that you can do your research completely online. They also require a service requirement in their leadership course which is basically like doing community service so an example would be like getting a team of people together to run a bake sale at the local church, or get a team of people together to do a blood pressure check booth in your community. It seems like its completely doable. I havent met anyone to give me any insight or indepth review of this program though. I don't know many people who actually have thier doctorate....Im navigating myself alone on this one! LOL but Im happy to help if you have any specific questions!

Hello, I have my Masters of science degree in nursing education, I received my masters degree from Chamberlain College of Nursing. When I looked at Aspen their Masters programs are accredited through CCNE - you shouldn't have a problem. I will let you know though, if you are looking to teach nursing courses online/remotely you will need to further your education to receive a doctorate. It's extremely hard to find anything online with only a masters - you will be all set to teach in person at a community college. Best of Luck to you!

I was wondering if anyone has attended or is currently in Clarkson College's Educational and Leadership ED.D. program? and if they could tell me how thier experience is going or had gone? I am interested in this program, I was told that thier program is completely online and that all of my research, and study could be completed all online- I am hoping this is true... I am curious as well to the ED.D. 938 leadership course that states one must complete a service requirement? I am wondering what this means or what an example would be? I am hoping to hear any insight would be helpful. thank you.

Kate, In the end, after many discussions with Regis College regarding my own personal story as mentioned above - was of no help to me. I decided Regis just wasn't a good fit. I am sorry you are or have been experiencing problems with their program - thanks for sharing. After investigating the DNP Nurse Educator program I have come to the conclusion that I would be re-paying for the same academia courses I took in my Masters program and quite frankly not learn anything new? why spend the $$. Since then I looked into other Doctoral Pathways and have decided on ED.D. route as I think that would best suit what I am looking to do anyways. Again Thanks for sharing and I hope that things turn around for you in a positive direction Lyndsay

Thank you for responding, I looked more into obtaining a DNP however, the more I researched Regis program or other colleges it just doesn't seem like it was a degree made for a nurse educator. To me it feels like it was an afterthought after the design was made for advanced practice nursing. So, I have decided to go the Educational Doctorate route with a concentration in nursing education - to me it feels like it makes more sense but again thank you for replying I appreciate any and all different perspectives.

Wow! How Wonderful! Congrats to You! It's nice to hear from someone who shares the same perspective on this as I do- I too am more of a QI girl myself as well. I have never heard of the DNE before that is quite interesting! but I don't know that I want to sit and wait around for that to materialize or if it's going to materialize IDK. I am very glad to have stumbled across Clarkson and I will be attending in the fall! I'm looking forward to it! I would love to continue talking with you throughout the program to hear of your experiences and how you like the school. I'm just sorry I didn't find this out sooner LOL I'll just be a cohort behind you. Thank you, Lyndsay

Thank you, I am taking a good look at it!

Hello. I am a MSN prepared Nurse Educator I graduated from Chamberlain College of Nursing. Lately, I have been researching different terminal degree options to find which doctorate I should really pursue. I have looked at PhD programs such as Capella which has an educational track. However, upon further investigation I seen articles where just as of 2018-2019 there program was under a massive class action lawsuit pertaining to students claiming they were 5 years in with no guidance, progression, or degree. Furthermore I had read that Capella was ordered to refund these students. So here they sit with all this time gone and no degree (all I can say is Google it) It's scary for me to think about going down that route. Plus on a more personal note I don't know that I'm interested in grants/research/scientist route. So then I looked at DNP's - these programs are not designed for education at all. I think it was an after thought to be honest once it was learned about the faculty shortage to start claiming get your DNP with a nurse educator concentration such as Regis College, or American Sentinel University. The DNP essentials that these programs are aligned with have 1000 hour practicum requirement and students who have their masters in either education or administration are not allowed to apply their 100-200 hours towards this maximum. Plus if your someone like me aka living remote without a magnet institution its hard to gain 600 hours in committee work in 2.5 years on top of the 400 hours in The DNP scholarly project work your actually doing in the program. If they are going to revamp it after the fact to include everyone then they need to make this an easier more transparent process. So Now I am looking at ED.D. nursing concentration programs and I came across Drexel and now Clarkson in comparison to the two I am really liking Clarkson it looks to be of quality to me with the courses being offered and how simplified the process looks to be in obtaining the information needed. So I am very interested to hear what anyone has to say about this program. I am very seriously considering applying to this program for the fall 2021. I would like to have started sooner but I didn't find this school until now and the deadline for this Spring's start was October 15th. The application deadline for Fall start is July 1st. Any tidbits of information would be greatly helpful!!

HM3-2-BSN- I just wanted to touch base, I did not hear back from Regis College DNP nurse Educator program regarding immersion hours. However, I have done some surface research and thought of maybe going the EdD route with a concentration in nursing education. There are several programs out there for this in regards to nurse faculty shortages. Drexel University thus far is looking pretty decent. I just thought I would share this with you if its an avenue you haven't thought of before.

Hello. I currently have my Masters degree in Nursing Education and I am looking into different doctoral degree programs to see what would be a good "fit" for me. I have come across Drexel University's E.D.D. program with a concentration in Nursing Education. I was just wondering if anyone else has completed this program and any tips or advice they would have to say regarding this program. Thank you

203 Bravo, I wanted to say thank you for your perspective on this, I didn't even think to look into this avenue. I scratched a little bit of the surface, and still need to do some deeper digging but it looks like Drexel University has a pretty decent E.D.D. program with a nursing educator concentration do you happen to know anything about it?