President Biden thread

2 hours ago, NRSKarenRN said:

Guess its time to look into solar panels as part of homes major upgrade:  gutting entire first floor, 2 bathrooms, French Doors instead of Picture window in LR, luxury vinyl tile instead rugs and 50's tile, etc.

 

Today NBC News:

Biden invokes Defense Production Act to boost solar panel manufacturing

As part of plan, president is issuing a two-year tariff exemption on solar panel imports from several Southeast Asian nations: Cambodia, Malaysia, Thailand and Vietnam.

 

50 years too late ......  It's always stunned me that solar wasn't required in New housing on Southern California decades ago.  I hope it's the end of oil companies' reign as the welfare queens of America.  But when the Republicans are back in charge, they will be thrilled to line their pockets with their political contributions and the tide will swing back to making America "great" again.

20 hours ago, MunoRN said:

Illinois does not have particularly comprehensive firearm laws, for instance they currently do not require universal background checks.

I'm not sure what it is that your using defend your statement; are you saying you didn't think it would be a problem to wildly misrepresent Illinois gun laws since everybody would know you were lying?

No. I'm saying I like to make up lies when I know a 5 second Google search will out me and you can call me out on it silly! 

6 hours ago, Tweety said:

The way you spin makes me dizzy sometimes.  But I can't tell you how to interpret what I wrote, nor do I feel the need to clarify.  

I have seen you shoot down legitimate stories as being propaganda which in my opinion makes people hesitate to bother sourcing their posts.

I've been on the receiving end as well from a poster no longer here.   I remember posting an article and getting a "Huffington Post LOL"

This is absolutely true! It's a great and effective strategy. Set the tone of debates by over exaggerating and exploiting the souces bias as a lies and propaganda. This is so nobody will feel comfortable citing that source hence being able to shut down opinions  doesn't match their ideology. Preventing an argument by not letting it occur. 

Kind of "propagandish" if I say so myself!! Pun intended. 

4 hours ago, Beerman said:

I'll just add that I'm amused by those folks who constantly spout off jibberish about supposed conservative propaganda are the same ones who bought into and still believe the Trump-Russia collusion hoax.?

And you still believe that Trump's team didn't interact with Russian operatives because you depended upon right wing pundits to tell you all about it. There were over 100 contacts between Russians and Trump team members... and they lied about all of them. But sure, it was all a hoax... just like the pandemic is a liberal hoax, right? So much misinformation swirls around right wing media.

Just a reminder...

By April 19, 2019,The New York Times had documented that "Donald J. Trump and 18 of his associates had at least 140 contacts with Russian nationals and WikiLeaks, or their intermediaries, during the 2016 campaign and presidential transition." - Wikipedia 

https://time.com/5572821/donald-trump-russia-contacts/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53830374

https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-elections-politics-campaigns-5e833a62e9492f6a66624b7920cc846a

https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-elections-politics-campaigns-5e833a62e9492f6a66624b7920cc846a

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The Trump campaign’s interactions with Russian intelligence services during the 2016 presidential election posed a “grave” counterintelligence threat, a Senate panel concluded Tuesday as it detailed how associates of Donald Trump had regular contact with Russians and expected to benefit from the Kremlin’s help.

The nearly 1,000-page report, the fifth and final one from the Republican-led Senate intelligence committee on the Russia investigation, details how Russia launched an aggressive effort to interfere in the election on Trump’s behalf. It says the Trump campaign chairman had regular contact with a Russian intelligence officer and that other Trump associates were eager to exploit the Kremlin’s aid, particularly by maximizing the impact of the disclosure of Democratic emails hacked by Russian intelligence officers.

You can keep trying to gaslight us about what the Mueller investigation found but it's still not going to work, even the republican senate reported the relationship.  Mostly it demonstrates how easily some republican voters are misled and how easily the truth can be hidden from the gullible. It's this Dunning-Kruger level of "go with the flow" acceptance of the misinformation and lies of corrupt and powerful people within the GOP that threatens our republic.

Does Barr's multiple page letter spinning the Mueller findings count as propaganda? It sure convinced folks of something that wasn't true... and that was the intention. 

4 hours ago, Beerman said:

I'll just add that I'm amused by those folks who constantly spout off jibberish about supposed conservative propaganda are the same ones who bought into and still believe the Trump-Russia collusion hoax.?

Says the man that shot me down for saying New York Post was making claims about Hunter Biden that were unproven.

Most people moved on when the investigation was closed, but sometimes when there's a stench, something is rotten.

Trump hasn't moved on and is suing Mrs. Clinton.

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The report stated that no evidence of a conspiracy was found, but it did lay out instances where the president possibly obstructed justice.....

Donald Trump has repeatedly claimed there was a Democratic conspiracy to undermine his presidency by suggesting his campaign had nefarious ties to Russia. Now he's putting his lawyers where his mouth is.

The lawsuit - against members of the Clinton campaign and senior FBI officials - is a decided longshot, in part because there is ample evidence of connections between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives as documented by Robert Mueller's special counsel investigation and a report by the bipartisan Senate intelligence committee.

7 hours ago, Beerman said:

I'm not sure what you're speaking of about NY Post and Hunter Biden, me shooting you down, or what it has to do with Clinton.  

I also wasn't speaking of you.  You pretty much moved on when the Mueller report came out.  And, more importantly, you aren't shooting down and make dismissing anything that comes from a source you don't prefer and labeling it propaganda. 

I know you weren't talking to me, but as I often do in this public forum, I jump in and I did go on a tangent.

I remember the incident but can't say with certainty it was you that responded to what I said.  So I do apologize and you can ignore that post.  LOL.

11 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

And you still believe that Trump's team didn't interact with Russian operatives because you depended upon right wing pundits to tell you all about it. There were over 100 contacts between Russians and Trump team members... and they lied about all of them. But sure, it was all a hoax... just like the pandemic is a liberal hoax, right? So much misinformation swirls around right wing media.

Just a reminder...

By April 19, 2019,The New York Times had documented that "Donald J. Trump and 18 of his associates had at least 140 contacts with Russian nationals and WikiLeaks, or their intermediaries, during the 2016 campaign and presidential transition." - Wikipedia 

https://time.com/5572821/donald-trump-russia-contacts/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53830374

https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-elections-politics-campaigns-5e833a62e9492f6a66624b7920cc846a

https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-elections-politics-campaigns-5e833a62e9492f6a66624b7920cc846a

You can keep trying to gaslight us about what the Mueller investigation found but it's still not going to work, even the republican senate reported the relationship.  Mostly it demonstrates how easily some republican voters are misled and how easily the truth can be hidden from the gullible. It's this Dunning-Kruger level of "go with the flow" acceptance of the misinformation and lies of corrupt and powerful people within the GOP that threatens our republic.

Does Barr's multiple page letter spinning the Mueller findings count as propaganda? It sure convinced folks of something that wasn't true... and that was the intention. 

So they had found that Trump had contact with Russians opporatives?

Seems that you are having trouble accepting that  if there was something illegal Trump did, at the very least, they could not do anything about it? 

On another note, how do you feel about General Millie's communication with China and reassurance that if Trump was to plan an military assault, he would give them notice?  

"They" found he didn't do anything either by informing a hostile military if there were to be military attack,he woukd be the first to tell him. 

Point being,  speaking to people of a country that is at odds with the US  doesn't prove "collusion". 

As found with Gerneral Millie, these types of communications are usual and common. 

Speaking of General Milley, what about his saying that Trump wanted to use the military against BLM protestors. 

Oh we could go all day and night back and forth about Trump.

15 hours ago, Beerman said:

I'll just add that I'm amused by those folks who constantly spout off jibberish about supposed conservative propaganda are the same ones who bought into and still believe the Trump-Russia collusion hoax.?

Or use the propagandic technique of attacking the source and not the opinion!. And sometimes the person giving the opinion. 

5 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Speaking of General Milley, what about his saying that Trump wanted to use the military against BLM protestors. 

Oh we could go all day and night back and forth about Trump.

 

If by military you mean National Guard? Use to control rioters not protesters. Sure. Slip of words maybe? 

42 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Or use the propagandic technique of attacking the source and not the opinion!. And sometimes the person giving the opinion. 

If by military you mean National Guard? Use to control rioters not protesters. Sure. Slip of words maybe? 

He just said that Trump asked him to use his forces to "crack skulls", "beat the f-bomb out" "just shoot them" of what the general called protestors.   

I'm not sure if the forces Trump asked him were National Guard, but are they not military?  

When you say "sure" does that mean you approve of sending the military/National Guard to shoot Americans?  

 Worked out well in my lifetime in Kent State in 1970.

I understand that people were  upset with the protests and the violence, "setting cities ablaze and causing billions in property damage" and the were riots.  I get that.

I'm also tired of talking about Trump.  (I keep saying that but here I am)

Any amount of protests that turn violent is one too many.  But I am a bit bewildered about the concern for violence during BLM protests and a "meh" over the many mass shootings and gun violence.  Seems a bit off to me.  

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AN OVERWHELMINGLY PEACEFUL MOVEMENT

The vast majority of demonstration events associated with the BLM movement are non-violent (see map below). In more than 93% of all demonstrations connected to the movement, demonstrators have not engaged in violence or destructive activity. Peaceful protests are reported in over 2,400 distinct locations around the country. Violent demonstrations,6 meanwhile, have been limited to fewer than 220 locations —under 10% of the areas that experienced peaceful protests. In many urban areas like Portland, Oregon, for example, which has seen sustained unrest since Floyd’s killing, violent demonstrations are largely confined to specific blocks, rather than dispersed throughout the city

https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demonstrations-political-violence-in-america-new-data-for-Summer-2020/