Published Mar 14, 2004
Just a vent...I am currently in Advanced Physio this semester. We just got our scores on our 2nd lecture test and I had the highest in my class. You would think this is good news, but unfortunatly, I scored 61 out of 100 pts! :uhoh21: We started out class with 36 people, and on Sat, we only had 20 left. One of my friends left after lab and told me she was dropping the class, my other friend had a drop slip signed during lecture break. The instructor said they are discussing adding review sessions for us on Friday nights. Something has to be wrong when NO ONE is passing. Fortunatly we are on spring break this week. Needless to say, I am spending my break in the books. I am NOT dropping this class. I have all A's and B's in my other classes, and I am going to fight to see if I can pull this up to a B. Anyone else having similar probs??
I actually saw an anatomy and physiology section dwindle to 0 one summer session from a start of about 40 students. Seems to me that there is a problem with the teacher when students who carry A's and B's in other tough classes fail one particular class. How are the other sections taught by other teachers in the same topic fairing?
Are you having problems with the instructor and his/her methods? It would be interesting to see what past students of this instructor got out of the class, and thought about the teaching methods. An option (maybe?) would be to transfer to another class. Is that a possibility?
WickedRedRN, BSN, RN
The posted scores overall seem to be B-C range, but the funny thing is, both Saturday classes are taught by the same instructor and we are all failing or withdrawing. I believe my instructor took some hear over this, since he talked to everyone in class this week about "something being wrong in the delivery of information". Normally, the class is lecture 2X per week and lab 1X per week. This is the first time they have had it offered on Sat, maybe it is too much info in one session. I picked this section since there were none offered during the week that I could get into that would fit into my work schedule. I did both of my A&P classes on Sat and passed with A's, so I know I am capable, just gotta work harder!!
Our Statistics class is not faring well. We had an average of 65 following the first exam, and that was an easy one. I don't know exactly how many people will fail. I am not even sure I will get through it. I am wondering what the powers that be will do if a significant number fail. I blame it on two things. #1. We are not mathematicians. #2. Our professor is. The sterotypical pocket-protector wearing nerd. He solves probabilities in his head in a couple of seconds, and looks at us like we're stupid for not seeing what he sees. Completely unable to teach even the simplest concepts, because he's to far above it and we're too far below him.
Gompers, BSN, RN
I had the same experience with my statistics class in school. It was taught by a graduate math student who had no idea how to teach a class. She just lectured and wrote on the board and NEVER turned around to ask us if we were still following her. There were 3 or 4 students in the class who understood everything, and the other 25 of us had no clue what was going on. I understand that grad students must teach as part of their program requirements, but sometimes they have no clue how to do it.
As for the physiology classes, if A students aren't even passing, there is a problem with the teacher or the tests. It's a very hard subject, but there is no excuse for the entire class dropping or failing! If you're doing well in every other class, then it's NOT YOU, I repeat, NOT YOU!!! Someone at the school really needs to do something about that instructor. It has to be the tests, something must be funky about them. I mean, no matter how poor the lectures might be, the A students who study the book cover to cover and go to lab should be passing with no problems. Please talk to someone, and good luck!
IT'S NOT YOU!!!
I feel for you. Our micro teacher apparently thinks that about 40% of her students failing with a D or F is ok. I am one of the few passing with a good grade but its rare. I almost feel like talking to the dean but don't want to have her hate me. She says she wants us to know enough so if she wakes up in an ER she would feel good. I guess I can see her point but my opinion is its not her job to weed out good/bad nurses as we are not in any program yet. She should concentrate on teaching her classes as best as she could.
ARGH!!! Well, today, I decided to officially withdraw from this class. I had decided to stay with it and get it done. I did well on my Lab Test, and I had totalled my pts and knew exactly what I needed to do to get through this. BUT....We have 6 weeks left in the semester, and withdrawing is NOT what I wanted to do. Prior to spring break, our instructor told us they were discussing adding a review session for the saturday classes since we all were struggling. Today he tells us that they requested to add a review on Friday night, but admin denied them SOOOO, they decided that they would combine both lab groups and use the remaining lab time for review. Currently, I have lab from 9-1050, everyone has lecture from 11-145, then there is a lab group from 2-350. In the new arrangement, review would be 9-1050 and we would all have lab after lecture. I told my instructor after lab that I COULD NOT be at school on sat until 4. I am in a Sat class because I work, and have a small child AND I have other classes! I picked the class I did, so that it would work with my schedule. I CANNOT BELIEVE WITH 6 WEEKS LEFT TO GO HE/THEY CAN DO THIS!!!! He said not a word when I told him why I would need to withdraw, only signed a WD slip and handed it to me. I turned it in as I left and PLAN on calling the Deans Office first thing Monday AM. In this situation, I want my tuition for this class refunded, since I have no control over this change.
Does anyone think this is unreasonable??? Or I am I whining over this change?
Thanks in advance for the opinions!!
So this change makes you miss another Saturday class that you have also paid for? If I'm reading this right, you have grounds to ask for a refund in my opinion. If class times were changed and that change would cause me to miss a second class through no fault of my own, I'd be howling at the moon to administration about it.
so this change makes you miss another saturday class that you have also paid for? if i'm reading this right, you have grounds to ask for a refund in my opinion. if class times were changed and that change would cause me to miss a second class through no fault of my own, i'd be howling at the moon to administration about it.
i don't think lorirn2b is missing another class on saturday. she picked her lab time for early am 9-11, with 11-2 as lecture. so she's out by 2 in order to be with her daughter and do other homework. other students decided to sleep in, come to lecture at 11 and then do their lab after lecture and stay on campus til 4...
so it sounds as if the prof changed it - extra study session is now 9-11 (instead of early am lab), lecture is 11-2 and now everyone is in lab until 4....which doesn't work for lorirn2b....
am i getting this straight?
if that is indeed the case, i'm not sure if a refund is due. is the extra study session voluntary or mandatory? i would guess voluntary, since admin did not approve....
but i'm not sure what the rub is...if it was voluntary, it sounds as if lorirn2b would make the sacrifice to attend on a friday night as opposed to a saturday morning. but then again, her class schedule for lab has been altered to accomodate a voluntary activity....:uhoh21:
excuse me for thinking out loud as i type...i think a refund would be due. your class schedule has been altered by the professor for a voluntary activity, taking away your lab time and moving it to a time not convenient for you. i think that case can definitely be made and i'd pursue it.
Top Cat, sorry if I came off as confusing, I was rather mad as I typed and sometimes what is in my head does not translate to the keyboard as well as I would like it to :)
In any case, you are correct. When I signed up to take the class, there were 2 choices... lab from 9-11 or 2-4, everyone attends the same lecture at 11. Because both lab groups have had more than 50% drop out and those of us remaining are passing, but barely, the dept head told our instructor we need to have extra review time. Because the school admin would not auth anything extra, instructor and dept head decided they would combine both lab groups into one from 2-4. Attendance and participation in lab is mandatory, review sessions are voluntary. I chose the slot I did (9-11) for scheduling reasons (hubby works 2nd shift, I have to be home by 2 for him to go to work and daughter is only 3, her weekly daycare is not open on weekends) I would gladly attend the review session if it were held on Friday night as discussed, but it still remained optional. Instructor advised us today that review for us would now be mandatory. I already make time and attend the optional review on Thursday night. (there are 3 review sessions held during the week at diff times that are "recommended, but not required"
I hope that made more sense of the situation? I still believe he cannot completely alter the schedule in the manner he did this late in the semester, when it is well past the refund date. And, I will have the pleasure now of taking advance physio in a summer session and paying for it AGAIN.
Thanks for listening to my rant
i think that is totally valid. you were in the class, you were passing. now the scheduling is changed in the middle of the semester from a voluntary activity to a mandatory activity on a day and time that you cannot make it. not fair for you to be out money for this class.
i would fight it. and everybody would hear my big mouth too!
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