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This is disinformation and in my opinion has no place on a nursing forum.

 


 

 

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53 minutes ago, macawake said:

This is disinformation and in my opinion has no place on a nursing forum.

 


 

 

It is one RN's perspective. Did you work at Elmhurst Hospital in NYC in March 2020?

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39 minutes ago, DaveMHA-RN said:

It is one RN's perspective. Did you work at Elmhurst Hospital in NYC in March 2020?

I did not. It’s not necessary to have done so in order to spot the lies.

One RN’s perspective? Really? Making a more than one hour long movie? Did she ever contact the police about what she claims to have witnessed? Or just make a Youtube video? Of all the people who worked in that hospital, she’s the only one who’s spoken out? Does that seem plausible to you?

From your clip: ”Nurse working on coronavirus frontline in New York claims the city is ’murdering’ COVID-19 patients by putting them on ventilators and causing trauma to the lungs”.

The woman in the movie appears to be an anti-vaxxer who from what I gleaned after an internet search, did not believe that the Covid pandemic is real. I suspect she arrived in New York with an agenda. I place this movie in the same category as the Plandemic. Disgraceful. 

Thousands of nurses and physicians and other healthcare professionals in New York worked hard and sacrificed a lot, to care for their patients early in this pandemic. Some of them are no doubt members on this forum. The movie you posted is in my opinion an insult to each and every one of them. 
 

 

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4 minutes ago, macawake said:

I did not. It’s not necessary to have done so in order to spot the lies.

One RN’s perspective? Really? Making a more than one hour long movie? Did she ever contact the police about what she claims to have witnessed? Or just make a Youtube video? Of all the people who worked in that hospital, she’s the only one who’s spoken out? Does that seem plausible to you?

From your clip: ”Nurse working on coronavirus frontline in New York claims the city is ’murdering’ COVID-19 patients by putting them on ventilators and causing trauma to the lungs”.

The woman in the movie appears to be an anti-vaxxer who from what I gleaned after an internet search, did not believe that the Covid pandemic is real. I suspect she arrived in New York with an agenda. I place this movie in the same category as the Plandemic. Disgraceful. 

Thousands of nurses and physicians and other healthcare professionals in New York worked hard and sacrificed a lot, to care for their patients early in this pandemic. Some of them are no doubt members on this forum. The movie you posted is in my opinion an insult to each and every one of them. 
 

 

Contact the police? Seriously? They don't police malpractice. What planet are you living on?

She NEVER said COVID is was not real -she took care of covid patients.  She also pointed out the disparities in how different covid patients were treated.

"Antivaxxer" is a word used to disparage those who would dare question the ethics of the pharmaceutical industry or the safety or efficacy of certain vaccines. As RNs we should question things and think critically to advocate for public health rather than accepting the "official narrative".

A lot of physicians and nurses are breaking ranks and coming out with similar stories.

I love your last paragraph, and how you (predictably) close seeking a knee-jerk emotive response feigning indignation. Such a typical tactic employed by people like you. 

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4 minutes ago, DaveMHA-RN said:

Contact the police? Seriously? They don't police malpractice. What planet are you living on?

She NEVER said COVID is was not real -she took care of covid patients.  She also pointed out the disparities in how different covid patients were treated.

"Antivaxxer" is a word used to disparage those who would dare question the ethics of the pharmaceutical industry or the safety or efficacy of certain vaccines. As RNs we should question things and think critically to advocate for public health rather than accepting the "official narrative".

A lot of physicians and nurses are breaking ranks and coming out with similar stories.

I love your last paragraph, and how you (predictably) close seeking a knee-jerk emotive response feigning indignation. Such a typical tactic employed by people like you. 

I’m not sure what people ”like you” refers to?

What planet I live on? Well the planet where people actually call the police when they think someone is the victim of a felony assault or a ’murder’..

Not that I’d call ’murder’ malpractice, but what do you think is the proper course of action for a registered nurse who witnesses malpractice? Making a Youtube video?

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2 minutes ago, macawake said:

I’m not sure what people ”like you” refers to?

What planet I live on? Well the planet where people actually call the police when they think someone is the victim of a felony assault or a ’murder’..

Not that I’d call ’murder’ malpractice, but what do you think is the proper course of action for a registered nurse who witnesses malpractice? Making a Youtube video?

After looking at a few of your posts it's pretty clear what your political affiliation is -that is the "like you" I reference. 

OK you you see an act of malpractice take place and you call 911 -you really think the police are going show up?

Erin Olszewski had every right to make that video. You might not like what she has to say much she had every right to make. 

I doubt you even watched the video. She spoke out about the lack of PPD, the disproportionate numbers of minorities that died and other things that happened. 

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11 minutes ago, DaveMHA-RN said:

After looking at a few of your posts it's pretty clear what your political affiliation is -that is the "like you" I reference. 

OK you you see an act of malpractice take place and you call 911 -you really think the police are going show up?

Erin Olszewski had every right to make that video. You might not like what she has to say much she had every right to make. 

I doubt you even watched the video. She spoke out about the lack of PPD, the disproportionate numbers of minorities that died and other things that happened. 

Okay. So if I understand you correctly, all a nurse who witnesses malpractice needs to do, is make a Youtube movie? That’s the extent of his or her legal and ethical obligations? 

Oh, and you really shouldn’t be making any assumptions about my political affiliation. It’s not really relevant here, since this thread is more about facts vs ”alternative facts”. But I very much doubt that you’ve ever even heard of the political party I vote for ?

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This is an old video  after the first surge.  We had a Summer surge and now a fall/Winter one since then.

She certainly is allowed to present her positions things like hydroxychloroquine and high dose vitamin C and intubation and what she thinks is right or wrong.  

She was front line as a lot of treatments and protocols were being tested, changed, revised, tossed out and tried again.  I think overall doctors, nurses and the medical establishment were flying by the seat of the pants and had the public's interest at heart.  

There were definitely things wrong and mistakes made.

To me is seems just a little dated to be looking at this video today.  It's going to be interesting to see what the latest surge unfolds, but the good news is that mostly we've learned from the last surge and the survival rates are better.  

 

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Specializes in Vents, Telemetry, Home Care, Home infusion.

Elmhurst Hospital in Queens,NY is a public hospital in an ethnically diverse community, mostly black, hispanic and  immigrant population, much like the one I worked at in Philadelphia -although PA has no public hospitals. Everyone came there because they knew they could be treated whether they had insurance or not.

In this video,  Emergency Room RN alleges that patients are coming to the hospital just "anxious" and being placed on ventilators. I call hogewash having cared for 100's of patients in Respiratory Failure, many needing vent management --almost all are anxious with fear/ impending sense of doom = death.  Documenting a patient as having a COVID diagnosis involves more that just a lab test --test could be false negative;  one looks at CXR, CAT Scan,  and ultrasound results,  ABG's/pulse ox results, past medical history,etc.  http://www.njha.com/media/594200/NJHA-HBS-Coding-and-Documentation-COVID-19.pdf

Most hospitals in the Northeast U.S  was having PPE shortage in March and April as need due to COVID  increased 400%. Meds and IV shortages have been going on for a few years. Add in a new illness without defind treatment guidelines --- many facilities in the Northeast was in an uproar  over COVID-19, trying treatments, communicating with peers for other suggestions , flying by the seat of their pants..   And we are heading back now into similar healthcare warfare due to severe rising hospitalizations and further limited resources.

These articles provide other viewpoints re this March 2020 situation :

Refuted conspiracy theories about coronavirus treatment at Elmhurst Hospital find home at Alex Jones’ Infowars and Fox News

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...Several of Olszewski’s Elmhurst colleagues contacted Dr. Zubin Damania, a hospital reform advocate “dedicated to improving healthcare for everyone” who publishes videos under the name ZDoggMD, to express disgust at and offer detailed refutations of Olszewski’s claims. 

A physician fellow at Elmhurst who wishes to remain anonymous wrote to Damania, “As someone who worked in those units and know the individuals and patients she referenced I can say without question that she spoke from a place of ignorance. That she would use lazy and faulty conclusions based on superficial observations to assign motives to and assassinate the character of people who worked tirelessly is unconscionable.” They went on to explain that the patients who had a negative COVID-19 test but were still categorized as COVID-19-presumptive cases were examples of “false negatives” and that “those patients all had horrendously deranged inflammatory makers (with distributive shock on pressure) and chest x rays clearly demonstrating lung injury.” According to the physician fellow, “Each of her other arguments/points could be similarly refuted by anyone with first hand knowledge of the situation.”

A traveling nurse that worked at Elmhurst with Olszewski also refuted her claims about non-COVID-19 patients being categorized as such and emphasized that Olszewski “is NOT a critical care nurse,” but rather is an emergency department nurse who had to be taught much of the care that was being provided to COVID-19 patients. The traveling nurse also claimed that Olszewski was “terminated by Elmhurst and Krucial staffing for accusing a physician of murdering her patient.” Of Olszewski’s claims, the nurse wrote, “To express the level of betrayal, hurt , doubt, pure disgust and anger is something I can not put into words” and that their “heart hurts for the regular staff at Elmhurst-they are good nurses-they have good docs(and bad docs) but who doesn’t. But, the amount of mistrust, doubt, and fear that her video portrays to an otherwise already underprivileged city hospital-that’s not OK.”...

 

What Really Happened At Elmhurst Hospital

ZDoggMD  video and website offers additional info
 

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The real victims of misinformation spread by nurse Erin Marie Olszewski shared their stories with me.

Just a sample of excerpts (anonymized) below (will be adding more as I find a minute to edit to keep them anonymous). See our original debunking of “Perspectives of the Pandemic” here.

From a physician fellow at Elmhurst:

As someone who worked in those units and know the individuals and patients she referenced I can say without question that she spoke from a place of ignorance. 

That she would use lazy and faulty conclusions based on superficial observations to assign motives to and assassinate the character of people who worked tirelessly is unconscionable. I know these residents and doctors, who paid emotional and physical (got sick w/ covid) toll trying their best. 

Furthermore, I respect that she had concerns about patient care and applaud a system of accountability that would give her a voice to ask questions. THE PROBLEM IS SHE NEVER ASKED….. SHE JUST ASSUMED. ...

 

 

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1 minute ago, macawake said:

Okay. So if I understand you correctly, all a nurse who witnesses malpractice needs to do, is make a Youtube movie? That’s the extent of his or her legal and ethical obligations? 

Oh, and you really shouldn’t be making any assumptions about my political affiliation. It’s not really relevant here, since this thread is more about facts vs ”alternative facts”. But I very much doubt that you’ve ever even heard of the political party I vote for ?

Never said making a Youtube video was the correct response to malpractice. I said she had the right to make the video, 

I am sure your political affiliation is way left of center. 

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3 minutes ago, DaveMHA-RN said:

Never said making a Youtube video was the correct response to malpractice. I said she had the right to make the video, 

I am sure your political affiliation is way left of center.  

Politics has nothing to do with how this nurse went about documenting her concerns.

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