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I applied at St. Lukes in houston for an ICU job. They said they were needing nurses badly. When I applied they had me take a "survey" which actually was a personality test of some sort. It asked the same questions over and over but in different fashions concerning violence in the workplace, drugs, theft. I FAILED. They said I did not pass and therefore would not be considered at this time but to feel free to try again(?). I was floored and could not imagine what had happened and they would not answer. Has anybody ever had this happen and what do you think of this?

you didn’t fail the nclex exam it failed you!

could this exam be a psychometrics personality screening exam?

an answer to standardize tests psychometricians craft questions, seek solutions by greg toppo usa today newspaper.

google or yahoo it!

time after time of failing and paying time after time for nclex test questions that you have never received training on in nursing school.

physiological questions that have no bearing on your ability to be a nurse.

remember years of college and a test over 20% can’t pass, and the numbers are becoming larger everyday!

wake and smell the failure…. it’s the test not you!

keep paying or get up and do something.

to:___________________ [name of title of representative]

[address of person to whom you are sending this letter]

from:_________________ [your name and title]

[address and phone number where you may be reached]

[place date here]

dear [address as sir or madam]:

as you are aware, as of july 23, 2001, the nursing shortage response act of 2001 was introduced in the house of representatives [h. r. 2594] as was the need act [h.r.3020] which was also introduced to the senate [s.721].

i am writing you today on behalf of the nursing profession. as you know there is a shortage of nurses in the united states today and the problem will only grow to be worse in the years to come. with the number of new nurses getting state licenses barely rising (http://www.ncsbn.org/pdfs/nclex_stats_fact_sheet.pdf) and demand for nurses soaring because of an aging population and the popularity of home health care — the labor department projects a shortage of 450,000 nurses in just seven years.

the nclex is the exam that all nurses must pass to be able to practice in the united states. the persons that are responsible for this exam are the board of nursing in each state where the potential nurse wants to get his/her license to practice and thepearson vue / many testing sites in michigan 5601 green valley drive bloomington, mn 55437-1099 usa ([color=#333333]866) 49-nclex (866) 496-2539 http://www.pearsonvue.com and chauncey group international, ltd 664 rosedale road princeton, nj 08540-2218 phone: 609 720 6500 fax: 609 720 6550. in order for a future nurse to take the exam, they must pay a fee to the board of nursing in the state in which they wish practice and a fee to thepearson and chauncey group. if an individual does not pass, they pay the entire fee again. this individual keeps paying the entire fee until they pass. at present, the fee to take the exam is in the range of $220 - $250 between paying the board of nursing and the chauncey group and pearson vue.

today, i am writing you with growing concern that the failure rate for the nclex keeps rising. granted the nclex administrators will say that they raised the passing standards and it is logical that one will have more failures. yes, while this fact may be true, i wonder as to the intentions of the pearson vue and chauncey group and the board of nursing. are their intentions to raise the standards of the nclex passing rate at a time of such a critical nursing shortage meeting a need or taking advantage of a situation? we have no choice as graduate nurses or foreign trained nurses but to take this exam and they understand this. to pay a complete fee each time to retake the exam, many future nurses run out of funds or get so discouraged, they give up. now, the education they received in college to be a nurse means nothing. the diploma earned is no more than a piece of paper and they are stuck paying back the student loans. this fact definitely contributes to the nursing shortage.

naturally, with the united states government trying to recruit nurses into the field, this would be an opportunity for the pearson vue and chauncey group and the board of nursing to capitalize on such a situation and i believe it is one that is worth an investigation.

thank you so much for your time concerning this matter. i am sure i will hear from you as soon as possible concerning this matter.

sincerely:

contact the ncsbn and file a compliant.

national council of state boards of nursing (ncsbn)

111 e. wacker drive, suite 2900

chicago, il 60601-4277

312.525.3615

312.525.3600 ncsbn main phone

http://www.ncsbn.org

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Specializes in ICU, ER, HH, NICU, now FNP.

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To pay a complete fee each time to retake the exam, many future Nurses run out of funds or get so discouraged, they give up. Now, the education they received in college to be a Nurse means nothing. The diploma earned is no more than a piece of paper and they are stuck paying back the student loans. This fact definitely contributes to the nursing shortage.

Etc Etc

Do you think there are no administrative costs associated with these tests and licenses and these companies or taxpayers are supposed to do this for free? People have to be paid to process your paperwork, each time you take the test. Nobody volunteers to do this for free. Do you think a nursing license is a right and not a privilege?

And now - back to the actual topic - personality profiles

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And now - back to the actual topic - personality profiles

OLD THREAD ALERT!!! Seven year old thread, folks.

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Specializes in ER/ MEDICAL ICU / CCU/OB-GYN /CORRECTION.

I am totally in agreement with BLUEBOYJ -- if you did not consent then this was diagnostic tool and you had an assessment done ie diagnosis.

I would be in an attorneys office Monday morning.

Whatever you decide know this is not about you. As another poster has have said wisely do not want to work for someone who is so unethical from the very beginning ?

I sincerely wish you all the best in your professional like and this decision.

Marc

PS Catlady you are something -- LOL I never even noted the date of this being 7 years OLD Thanks. Well I would have been in an attorneys office seven years ago on a Monday morning lol lol

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I am totally in agreement with BLUEBOYJ -- if you did not consent then this was diagnostic tool and you had an assessment done ie diagnosis.

I would be in an attorneys office Monday morning.

Whatever you decide know this is not about you. As another poster has have said wisely do not want to work for someone who is so unethical from the very beginning ?

I sincerely wish you all the best in your professional like and this decision.

Marc

PS Catlady you are something -- LOL I never even noted the date of this being 7 years OLD Thanks. Well I would have been in an attorneys office seven years ago on a Monday morning lol lol

Yes, I am something. As opposed to what? Nothing? :angryfire

You do know that the OP hasn't posted in four years, and the second poster whom you reference hasn't posted in seven. What are the odds that they're reading you right now?

Something worth saying is worth starting a new thread, rather than recycling old stuff. I'm not the only one who puts up old thread alerts.

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Specializes in ICU, ER, HH, NICU, now FNP.

Re Old Threads was personality profiles then ...

So what if a thread is old? If someone posts something on a thread today - it shows up in the new posts listing - which is how many of us view the forums. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's worthless. Why start a new thread just to repeat whats already been said anyway? Aren't all sticky's essentially old threads? No need to be '"catty" :lol2: about it.

All the "Old thread alert" does is post it BACK at the top of the new posts again, thereby continuing the old thread with newer posts.

It appears what happened here, is someone with an agenda for getting to repeat his NCLEX for free searched threads for the word "TEST" and then posted his spam in them without really reading the thread or looking at the date. Eh. no biggie.

So what about those personality profiles?

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Specializes in ER/ MEDICAL ICU / CCU/OB-GYN /CORRECTION.
yes, i am something. as opposed to what? nothing? :angryfire

you do know that the op hasn't posted in four years, and the second poster whom you reference hasn't posted in seven. what are the odds that they're reading you right now?

something worth saying is worth starting a new thread, rather than recycling old stuff. i'm not the only one who puts up old thread alerts.

dear catlady

no no no i am in shock -- and apoligize to you catlady

i sincerely did not mean any rudeness in my post. it was to compliment you in that your something and the only person to note that this thread was a long time ago. i thought your brilliant to note that and that here i responded along with others with out noting that ---

'you do know that the op hasn't posted in four years, and the second poster whom you reference hasn't posted in seven. what are the odds that they're reading you right now?

something worth saying is worth starting a new thread, rather than recycling old stuff. i'm not the only one who puts up old thread alerts.'

i did not realize what you so wisely noted about the post of four years ago and the other of 7 years ago. honestly i did not note that -- it was a mistake that i did not. there was no intention to belittle or to sound badly toward you at all.

that is why i said your something -- compared to the rest of us (me) who never noted that. perhaps i should have said your something special.

i am sorry that you took it offensive when it truly was meant to be totally complimentary. i am sorry and feel like a idiot.

i have never insulted anyone on this board and surely didnt mean to here.

please accept this explaination

sincerly,

marc

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Yes, I am something. As opposed to what? Nothing? :angryfire

You do know that the OP hasn't posted in four years, and the second poster whom you reference hasn't posted in seven. What are the odds that they're reading you right now?

Something worth saying is worth starting a new thread, rather than recycling old stuff. I'm not the only one who puts up old thread alerts.

Catlady - I read it as kind of a compliment to you too, so was kinda surprised at your response.

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Personality tests are as common as reference checks. While I was an undergrad working on my BSN I took a course in Behavioral Research(as part of my BA in Psychology). First off you did not "fail" the test. The test merely assesed your personality type. The test you took was probably a water down version of the Myers-Briggs test. Don't get down on yourself if they did not hire you. They could have just used your results as an excuse not to hire you. But who knows. As for the legality of the test, it is legal. You had the choice to refuse the "survey" at the time it was administered. To answer your question about the repetiveness of the "survey," questions are asked multiple times for validation. If you are inconsistent the test results will reflect it and in fact asseses another trait. If you would like to know your personality type there are many online tests, for example http://www.outofservice.com/you / or http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hollow/9561/index.html

Your personality type can change over time and day to day for arguments sake. But, you can take a test off one of thes e sites to find out what type of person you are. I can even help you interprit your results if you email them to me.

Thank you for posting; it's kind of disarming that someone would get a lawyer after applying for a job and submitting to a personality test.

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Do you think there are no administrative costs associated with these tests and licenses and these companies or taxpayers are supposed to do this for free? People have to be paid to process your paperwork, each time you take the test. Nobody volunteers to do this for free. Do you think a nursing license is a right and not a privilege?

And now - back to the actual topic - personality profiles

Research Findlaw on the Supreme Court Rulings on License, then you can tell me if it's a right or privilege. You still must think its a privilege to travel in a auto, but then again you have a birth certificate, like certificate of title and who has possession of your auto and YOU.Do you know who owns you, they maybe.

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IT IS VERY LEGAL. On the "survey" you took I'm sure your signature was required and that your signature verified that you took the "survey" of your own free will.

Exactly! Thanks for posting.

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NCLEX its all about the money

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