this is why people still think there's a nursing shortage!

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aarggghhh! more of a rant than anything else. my mother is a nurse (NP actually). growing up, the expectation was always made very clear that my brother and I were to go into healthcare, and that nothing else would be an acceptable career choice. (He's a successful sous chef, and my mother didn't talk to him for two years after she realized he wasn't ever going to medical school and is serious about doing what he enjoys).

Now our younger brother is being pushed in the same direction - he's 15 and he has no interest or particular aptitude for nursing or healthcare. His talent and passion is languages -he's in 10th grade and is taking French and Russian at a local university after testing out of honors language classes at his school, and teaching ESL at a nonprofit center for immigrant services.

Last night he mentioned to our parents that he was thinking about majoring in linguistics at college. My mother flipped out and started telling him that healthcare is the only profession you can count on, that he would be stupid to walk away from the chance to earn a ton of money and how there's such a need for nurses that he would be able to write his own ticket and get work easily in any specialty. All the myths were trotted out - big money, easy to find a job, make your own schedule, you can go right into the ER or any other popular specialty area right out of school, etc.

This is at least one reason why people are going into nursing/healthcare with expectations that are not at all reality-based. Where are they hearing that there's big money, easy money, flexible scheduling, loads of cushy or high-profile jobs? Someone is telling these people to expect that, and sometimes it's not Yahoo! Answers giving them the wrong idea- but rather experienced, working nurses who should know better!

tbh I really want to show him the AN forums so he can get a different perspective.

Specializes in Neuro ICU/Trauma/Emergency.

I never understood why people automatically assumed nurses make huge salaries. There are many careers that pay much nicer than nursing...

Well lets fact check, I have a Masters in Health Administration and am a certified RHIA( rare in the u.s.)...I left a cushiony desk job making well over 250k a year to go back into nursing for the passion and love, definitely not the money.

I have a sister who is a C.P.A. making 100k+ a year

A sister who is a Engineer making 300k+ a year

A friend who is a hairdresser 100k+ a year

A friend who works in finance 90k+ a year

A friend who works as a teacher 75k+ a year( with 3 months off so she in essence 100k+ a year)

A friend who is a new grad RN 58k a year ( her salary is capped)

Had I not been certified in Critical Care, Emergency Nursing, ACLS, Float Pool without benefits I wouldn't be making the money I make now...but I also have to work overtime to make what my sister makes on a 37.5hr week job...

Translators are able to make a lot if not more than a lot of nurses who are seeing their salaries cut, capped...etc

I never understood why people automatically assumed nurses make huge salaries. There are many careers that pay much nicer than nursing...

Well lets fact check, I have a Masters in Health Administration and am a certified RHIA( rare in the u.s.)...I left a cushiony desk job making well over 250k a year to go back into nursing for the passion and love, definitely not the money.

I have a sister who is a C.P.A. making 100k+ a year

A sister who is a Engineer making 300k+ a year

A friend who is a hairdresser 100k+ a year

A friend who works in finance 90k+ a year

A friend who works as a teacher 75k+ a year( with 3 months off so she in essence 100k+ a year)

A friend who is a new grad RN 58k a year ( her salary is capped)

Had I not been certified in Critical Care, Emergency Nursing, ACLS, Float Pool without benefits I wouldn't be making the money I make now...but I also have to work overtime to make what my sister makes on a 37.5hr week job...

Translators are able to make a lot if not more than a lot of nurses who are seeing their salaries cut, capped...etc

Gotta factor in statistics.

engineering is pretty much a science degree and are often crazy smart with advanced degrees.

Accounting is similiar to healtcare as its a degree for a specific job, but the entry pay is WAYYY less. And its the business field. Business degrees usually start you out VERY slow these days, but do offer high long term potential. But in this economy its exceptionally hard to get an entry level business position

The avg hair dresser probably makes closer to 10$ an hour. That would be like me using a nurse who did 1000 hours of OT last year and saying nurses make 300k a year

Finance is the same as above. And new grad jobs in finance are significantly commission based, plus pay terrible. Long term youll make absurd amounts of money... if youre lucky.

Maybe a translator "could" make more than a nurse, but could you even get a job as one?

I dont know when you graduated school, but I graduated multiple times iin recent years. Once with a masters in finance, and another with my BSN in nursing. (I actually got the business degree to help with a family business, but healthcare was always my interest)

It was 50000 times easier getting a real job with the BSN than it was with a masters in finance. And I live in New York, the financial capital of the world none the less.

I cant even imagine trying to get a real job with one of the non practical degrees.

Im not saying that the OP's brother shouldnt pursue his interest in languages, im just saying that he needs to find a practical way to feed his interest. IE social work or public health with an emphasis on non English speaking clients.

Things are incredibly grim for young adults who are graduating either now or in recent/soon to come years. Having a worthless degree and a hump of debt is only a way to make building a future more difficult.

Im not suggesting at all that people should do something they hate for money, but rather find a practical way to do something that they enjoy and can actually make a living.

Specializes in Family Nurse Practitioner.

Maybe there is a shortage in the sense that there are high nurse to patient ratios which makes us feel overworked. Add to that increasing responsibilities, sicker patients, and more documentation requirements. However, no one is really hiring much since the market crash in 2008.

Maybe there is a shortage in the sense that there are high nurse to patient ratios which makes us feel overworked. Add to that increasing responsibilities sicker patients, and more documentation requirements. However, no one is really hiring much since the market crash in 2008.[/quote']

The healthcare shortage is legit, its just growing in the future

Bad economy and new laws leads to less people retiring and less hiring.

The average age of RNs is 48 years old, and the baby boomers are just getting to retirement.

Almost all healthcare demand is increasing significantly and should be sky high the next 10 years or so

its not great right now, but its way better than most degrees

Specializes in PACU, pre/postoperative, ortho.

Thinking more about linguistics, learning farsi & middle eastern languages would be a shoe-in for govt work, CIA level stuff. My son was considering that for a time along with a criminology degree.

Specializes in Med Surg.
The fundamentals textbook states that there is a nursing shortage. This is what they are teaching current nursing students.

They weren't teaching anyone that when I was in school, no matter what the textbooks said.

As an aside, when nursing textbooks talk about anything other than direct patient care, they are quite often wrong.

Specializes in Geriatrics, Home Health.
The healthcare shortage is legit, its just growing in the future

Bad economy and new laws leads to less people retiring and less hiring.

The average age of RNs is 48 years old, and the baby boomers are just getting to retirement.

Almost all healthcare demand is increasing significantly and should be sky high the next 10 years or so

its not great right now, but its way better than most degrees

The ANA and the BLS predict that the nursing job market will rebound by 2020. That's 6 years from now, and doesn't do much for new grads who can't find first jobs, nurses with less than 5 years of experience who took whatever jobs they could find and are looking for their next job, more experienced nurses who are laid off, and older nurses who can't afford to retire. I was amazed when January's American Journal of Nursing ran an article admitting that the nursing shortage ended years ago, and that many new grads can't find jobs.

Nursing is facing a lost generation. When the economy eventually recovers, and the nurses who want to either retire or leave the field can finally do so, it will be a bloodbath. Nurses still left in the field will be downright mercenary, and I won't blame them one bit.

If the OP's brother would rather study linguistics than nursing, he should find a way to do that. Mandarin Chinese and Arabic are in high demand right now. If he can pair it with a business or marketing minor, he could go into international relations, international development, or advertising, all of which are respectable, well-paying careers. Nursing is not for the faint of heart, and when it comes to jobs, there are no guarantees, regardless of major.

January's American Journal of Nursing ran an article admitting that the nursing shortage ended years ago, and that many new grads can't find jobs.

Hey NAHP, thank you for the article, great one and so sad at the same time.

Specializes in Family Nurse Practitioner.
The healthcare shortage is legit, its just growing in the future

Bad economy and new laws leads to less people retiring and less hiring.

The average age of RNs is 48 years old, and the baby boomers are just getting to retirement.

Almost all healthcare demand is increasing significantly and should be sky high the next 10 years or so

its not great right now, but its way better than most degrees

I agree with your projections 100%. In 10 years there WILL be a real shortage. Obamacare will be fully implemented, baby boomers will be retired, and current middle aged RNs will be mostly retired. It will be a staffing disaster. The one advantage of getting all these people into nursing school now is avoiding the future catastrophe. The problem it seems is that many jobs require experience and do not hire new RNs. If nursing schools better prepared their new graduates, hospitals and other institutions wouldn't have to spend thousands of dollars training new grads. In 10 years, more healthcare will be in primary care. Think clinics, doctors offices, and outpatient centers. Hospitals will expand, but not as much as they would have to without healthcare reform. Nursing has to be at ease with itself professionally and encourage students to enter specialties other than acute care nursing. Nurses have to recognize that in nursing it's not how much you do that makes you great, it's how you do it and the professional attitude that goes along with every encounter. Me personally, I hope to nestled in some ICU with 1 to 2 patients and not running up and down hallways to give water, nausea medication, and pain medication.

Specializes in ED.

There is no nursing shortage and there hasn't been one in years. There is however, a staffing shortage. Hospitals are cutting back on staffing, so more and more nurses are working short staffed. Adding to that is that the patients being admitted are sicker and sicker as admission guidelines are changing, and only the sickest people get admitted. Health care has become more about the bottom line than patient care.

Go online, look in the paper, you will see quite a few job openings for nurses. Actually apply to those jobs and many will be told that they are not hiring right now. Hospitals use this ploy to perpetuate the myth of the nursing shortage to justify the continuing practice of short staffing. Talk to hiring managers. They will tell you how many times they have to jump through hoops to get a position filled. Many hospitals are enacting hiring freezes, wage freezes and are even laying off nurses.

Back during the time of the real nursing shortage, a nurse could pick up the phone, call a nurse manager and boom! land a job. There were sign on bonuses and job fairs every week. Didn't like the job you were in? No problem, you could get a new one and be working within the week. This is not the case any more. Competition is fierce. Many are on the job hunt for months at a time. Many new grads are struggling to find that first job. It is definitely not what it once was.

Nursing is a great profession if that is what you want to do. But the days of going into nursing because it was a guaranteed job and big money are long gone. Nursing has become like so many other professions. With so many hospitals trying to cut back on spending, nursing is the first to go. With so many new nurses out there vying for the same positions, hospitals are in a position to offer lower wages. Eventually the nursing shortage will come around again (it always does), but don't be fooled, it is not happening today.

Specializes in Telemetry, OB, NICU.

I am in grad school to earn my MSN. Every nursing book that I have read ever since ADN nursing school states that there is a nursing shortage.

And I do see that there is a shortage for BSN and higher degree nurses. Especially the educators in nursing schools. I personally don't go by the people on online forums like here. I trust the statistics more, which the books rather state. So, yes, there is a shortage, still.

I am in grad school to earn my MSN. Every nursing book that I have read ever since ADN nursing school states that there is a nursing shortage.

And I do see that there is a shortage for BSN and higher degree nurses. Especially the educators in nursing schools. I personally don't go by the people on online forums like here. I trust the statistics more, which the books rather state. So, yes, there is a shortage, still.

Don't you think nursing schools might have a vested interest in spreading the belief that there's a nursing shortage?

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