Ontario Second Entry Nursing Fall 2021

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Hey everyone!

I haven't seen a post for Fall 2021 yet so here it is!

My choices are:

1. UofT

2. McMaster

3. Nipissing SPP

I started my OUAC application in November and now trying to work on the supplemental packages. My CASPer Test is on January 12, 2021.

I need to take Anatomy and Physio course(s) however, I'm having a hard time figuring out what would satisfy the requirements from all three universities. My options so far are:

1. Take CBLG 101 in Winter and CBLG 111 in Spring at Ryerson. However final grade will be in June; hoping that's fine.  This satisfies all 3 unis

2. Take SCS 2159 in Winter from UofT which is enough for UofT and McMaster but not for Nipissing. I have to take an Anatomy course just for Nip.

I have a Bachelor's Degree in Early Childhood Education from back home, been working as an RECE in Toronto the last 8 years, have a Diploma in Nonprofit Management at Ryerson. My cGPA is 3.55 which I'm worried about. Lots of extra curricular activities from university and volunteering here in Toronto.  I still have to compute the GPA for the last two years.

I requested WES to send my transcripts to Nip and McMaster and asked my old uni to send to UofT.

It's been an expensive application so far; really hoping I get in! Looking forward to chatting with you all and sharing our experiences.

4 hours ago, WiseApple said:

I emailed Nipissing last week. They said they are sending out offers "later in April". Odd because it's already late April! 

They replied to me yesterday that will be "late in April/early in May" LOL

Hi everyone!  

I'm just about to finish my first year of the accelerated nursing program at McMaster (two more exams). I remember being on these forums last year and I got so much helpful information and reassurance that I thought I'd come back here and try to give back (and also get some nostalgia as I haven't been on here in a year LOL).  

If anyone is interested in knowing anything about the McMaster accelerated program and my opinions about the program and its courses, reply to me with any questions! I think when I'm done exams I'll come back and put together a full write up of some useful advice about the program.  

For starters, I received my acceptance on May 1st. Also, we were told by one of our profs that this year apparently 4000 students applied to the program when normally it's about 800 or so. Insane.

37 minutes ago, helgurk said:

Hi everyone!  

I'm just about to finish my first year of the accelerated nursing program at McMaster (two more exams). I remember being on these forums last year and I got so much helpful information and reassurance that I thought I'd come back here and try to give back (and also get some nostalgia as I haven't been on here in a year LOL).  

If anyone is interested in knowing anything about the McMaster accelerated program and my opinions about the program and its courses, reply to me with any questions! I think when I'm done exams I'll come back and put together a full write up of some useful advice about the program.  

For starters, I received my acceptance on May 1st. Also, we were told by one of our profs that this year apparently 4000 students applied to the program when normally it's about 800 or so. Insane.

Hi! I'm leaning towards McMaster and I'm curious if your classes are 100% problem based learning or if you only use that learning style during 1 specific PBL class per semester? I was reading some past forums from 2010-2012 that suggested the program was completely PBL so I was curious if they've kept with that method or if they've evolved into a lecture/PBL hybrid! Thank you for your help!

1 hour ago, helgurk said:

Hi everyone!  

I'm just about to finish my first year of the accelerated nursing program at McMaster (two more exams). I remember being on these forums last year and I got so much helpful information and reassurance that I thought I'd come back here and try to give back (and also get some nostalgia as I haven't been on here in a year LOL).  

If anyone is interested in knowing anything about the McMaster accelerated program and my opinions about the program and its courses, reply to me with any questions! I think when I'm done exams I'll come back and put together a full write up of some useful advice about the program.  

For starters, I received my acceptance on May 1st. Also, we were told by one of our profs that this year apparently 4000 students applied to the program when normally it's about 800 or so. Insane.

I asked mac's admissions coordinator and they said they received 900 apps this year. Even then, I feel like there should be a personal statement or something because do they just choose people with the highest sub-GPA's and casper scores for the 85 spots? 

Edit: I read over the email again and she said over 900 apps so IDK what the actual number of apps was

Allnurses admin -> I am very sorry for writing the coordinator's name here, I was not aware that I was not allowed to do that. I had thought because it was public info (their name is on mac's website) that it was okay to write it here. Nonetheless, it will never happen again. If you would like, please delete this post or maybe edit the name out of the quoted posts. Thank you!

20 minutes ago, LabRat said:

Hi! I'm leaning towards McMaster and I'm curious if your classes are 100% problem based learning or if you only use that learning style during 1 specific PBL class per semester? I was reading some past forums from 2010-2012 that suggested the program was completely PBL so I was curious if they've kept with that method or if they've evolved into a lecture/PBL hybrid! Thank you for your help!

Hi! Only one class every semester is PBL. So I'll just expand on that right now since I know somebody will ask this (if not, you should definitely be aware of what PBL is).  

Even though there are ~120 students in the program, your PBL class is only ~25 students in which you're all divided into groups of 4 or 5 that you will collaborate with for the entire semester. This is actually a cool concept because I'm used to in my previous degree being in classes with hundreds of students but you get to actually interact with the whole class. My closest friends I've made in this program are literally from the 2 PBL groups I've had this year.

So personally, I'm not a fan of the PBL method of teaching. And everybody I've made friends with also does not like PBL. But it's not a deal-breaker by any means. Basically every 2 weeks you're introduced to a fake patient scenario that's trying to highlight a specific health dilemma (e.g. this semester our 6 care scenarios were about diabetes, pain/sepsis, cardiovascular disease, breast cancer, palliative care, kidney disease). The exam is explicitly based on the readings - there are NO formal lectures in class. And there is A LOT of readings (but manageable!) so you MUST do them. The idea is the details they provide in the care scenario are supposed to "guide" your learning (e.g. "this person is having a heart attack and this lab value is elevated hmm I guess we'll have to research what that's all about"). Instead it's a 4 hour tutorial session where basically the TA makes you do these extra ungraded weekly research tasks (e.g. "OK so your group will research the pros and cons of hemodialysis and present it next week"). The idea of PBL is that students "teach each other" the content and that's supposed to somehow enhance everybody's learning. So every week you're basically spending 4 hours having discussions with the class. The problem is these weekly group presentations are not always based on the readings, oftentimes it's extra research ON TOP of the required readings. So sure you might learn some cool things, but at the end of the day you're not learning all the material you need to know for the final exam and the NCLEX. For that you must do the readings. It really is a lot of extra unnecessary work imo. In summary, PBL is a cool concept in theory but imo it's not executed well. Pros: You bond really well with the members in your small group; The care scenarios are actually cool and get you to think like a nurse. Cons: A lot of extra ungraded, unnecessary work.

On 4/21/2021 at 9:44 PM, happytraveller said:

I asked ***** (admissions coordinator) and she said they received 900 apps this year. Even then, I feel like there should be a personal statement or something because do they just choose people with the highest sub-GPA's and casper scores for the 85 spots? 

Edit: I read over the email again and she said over 900 apps so IDK what the actual number of apps was

Does McMaster use cumulativeGPA or subGPA? And is subGPA the most recent 20 credits?

On 4/21/2021 at 5:44 PM, happytraveller said:

I asked -------------------------- (admissions coordinator) and she said they received 900 apps this year. Even then, I feel like there should be a personal statement or something because do they just choose people with the highest sub-GPA's and casper scores for the 85 spots? 

Edit: I read over the email again and she said over 900 apps so IDK what the actual number of apps was

Hmm that's weird I'm not sure what the accurate number is. All I know is that our prof was told that 4000 students applied this year. I guess take that with a grain of salt.  

Yes, they literally just the take the top applicants in terms of GPA and Casper score. I was shocked as well if I'm being honest.

4 minutes ago, helgurk said:

Hi! Only one class every semester is PBL. So I'll just expand on that right now since I know somebody will ask this (if not, you should definitely be aware of what PBL is).  

Even though there are ~120 students in the program, your PBL class is only ~25 students in which you're all divided into groups of 4 or 5 that you will collaborate with for the entire semester. This is actually a cool concept because I'm used to in my previous degree being in classes with hundreds of students but you get to actually interact with the whole class. My closest friends I've made in this program are literally from the 2 PBL groups I've had this year.

So personally, I'm not a fan of the PBL method of teaching. And everybody I've made friends with also does not like PBL. But it's not a deal-breaker by any means. Basically every 2 weeks you're introduced to a fake patient scenario that's trying to highlight a specific health dilemma (e.g. this semester our 6 care scenarios were about diabetes, pain/sepsis, cardiovascular disease, breast cancer, palliative care, kidney disease). The exam is explicitly based on the readings - there are NO formal lectures in class. And there is A LOT of readings (but manageable!) so you MUST do them. The idea is the details they provide in the care scenario are supposed to "guide" your learning (e.g. "this person is having a heart attack and this lab value is elevated hmm I guess we'll have to research what that's all about"). Instead it's a 4 hour tutorial session where basically the TA makes you do these extra ungraded weekly research tasks (e.g. "OK so your group will research the pros and cons of hemodialysis and present it next week"). The idea of PBL is that students "teach each other" the content and that's supposed to somehow enhance everybody's learning. So every week you're basically spending 4 hours having discussions with the class. The problem is these weekly group presentations are not always based on the readings, oftentimes it's extra research ON TOP of the required readings. So sure you might learn some cool things, but at the end of the day you're not learning all the material you need to know for the final exam and the NCLEX. It really is a lot of extra unnecessary work imo. In summary, PBL is a cool concept in theory but imo it's not executed well. Pros: You bond really well with the members in your small group; The care scenarios are actually cool and get you to think like a nurse. Cons: A lot of extra ungraded, unnecessary work.

Thank you so much for taking the time to type out this explanation! I was a little hesitant if the entire program was the self-taught / group-taught PBL method but it helps to know that it's just for one class! I've been reading in a bunch of forums that grad nurses find PBL to be super helpful with their problem-solving skills in the workplace so as tough as it may be, I hope it pays off for you (and hopefully me!)

7 minutes ago, LabRat said:

Does McMaster use cumulativeGPA or subGPA? And is subGPA the most recent 20 credits?

I believe it's most recent 20 courses

1 minute ago, happytraveller said:

I believe it's most recent 20 courses

Thanks!! ?

8 minutes ago, helgurk said:

Hmm that's weird I'm not sure what the accurate number is. All I know is that our prof was told that 4000 students applied this year. I guess take that with a grain of salt.  

Yes, they literally just the take the top applicants in terms of GPA and Casper score. I was shocked as well if I'm being honest.

Also, I heard some people getting in with a sub-GPA of 78% (not sure what that is on the 4.0 scale) so I'm so confused as to how they actually choose people. Maybe they have some seats for people with lower sub-GPA's and great casper scores? IDK 

1 minute ago, Adrian Castillo said:

Rip. My first account got banned from posting/commenting because I mentioned the first name of Humber's admissions coordinator. That might happen to you too RIP! ?

Isn't this public info though, it's found on the mac's website too

7 minutes ago, happytraveller said:

 

Isn't this public info though, it's found on the mac's website too

Same goes for Humber, it's also public info. Apparently, allnurses has some strict rules or something. They mask names being mentioned in forums and ban people who do it. ?

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