Second go-round of NC2, got a B today. Thanks in large part to finally treating my ADD !! Things made sense that never made sense before.
Two nursing exams left -- NC5 and NC7 ... then adult developmental psychology (when I clepped lifespan years ago it didn't include the adult stuff so I have to do this), ENG 102 (signed up for internet class at local college this spring and -- I'll be done! Except for the CPNE of course ...
I'm starting to feel like I am making PROGRESS ... this time last year everything was "on hold" because of family problems, I only started the exams in August. Now if the money would just show up for the next couple... ah... there's always something.
I've got to say I'm impressed with how fast Excelsior processes these things. They got my scores for ASL from the local college on 12/8 and I received a notice yesterday that it would take 4-6 weeks -- but when I got online I see they have already processed the credits! Way to go Excelsior! Seems whenever I take an exam it shows up pretty quickly on my status report.
all i will say here is ya'll really need to grow up! and ya'll should know exactly what i mean, it is really said because i am most likely the youngest one here.
lpntorn, is proud of herself as she should be, and i am too. so i say more power to her. and all i have seen from most of you is trying to chip away at her bit by bit. i personally think that some of your are being bitter, whether you are already an rn or not. this just goes to show, no matter how old some people get, they never grow up.
and just as a side note, trying to belittle someone by basically saying "you may have passed the test, but you won't be a good nurse because you won't remember", is plain infantile; and i don't care in what terms or with what words you dress it up with. what makes it worse, is that in the first post you pose as trying to be somewhat helpful and directing it to students as a whole, but when a person talks about herself doing it, you have the nerve to tell her that it was not directed at her. and that by far in my books makes you look like an idiot.
next, for whomever quoted her original post with the little emoticon, with the party hat, you are just as bad. ya'll at like, ya'll are in the 7th grade trying to gain up on someone.
get a grip and stop being so damn bitter, which is btw oh so obvious.
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all i will say here is ya'll really need to grow up! and ya'll should know exactly what i mean, it is really said because i am most likely the youngest one here.
lpntorn, is proud of herself as she should be, and i am too. so i say more power to her. and all i have seen from most of you is trying to chip away at her bit by bit. i personally think that some of your are being bitter, whether you are already an rn or not. this just goes to show, no matter how old some people get, they never grow up. .
who's being bitter??? please read the attitude in her posts in reply to those on here who have tried to give her good advice that she may need down the road in this program. they have not been very nice. some of us have only responded in kind. i think lpn has shown she can take up for herself, thank you. think about this, please. why would anyone here be bitter about her success at taking pot shots at test questions and passing?
and just as a side note, trying to belittle someone by basically saying "you may have passed the test, but you won't be a good nurse because you won't remember", is plain infantile; and i don't care in what terms or with what words you dress it up with. what makes it worse, is that in the first post you pose as trying to be somewhat helpful and directing it to students as a whole, but when a person talks about herself doing it, you have the nerve to tell her that it was not directed at her. and that by far in my books makes you look like an idiot. .
really? and when you have your baby, do you want the nurse that studied her butt off at your bedside, or the one who brags about cramming, forgets what she learned, and talks about her patients the way lpn has talked about hers? if you want examples of compassion, read her posts before you make judgements on us, please. and to clear things up, laurie said she didn't take pot shots at answers. that's why the post wasn't directed at her. i would hope that any future ec nursing students (and that does include you) will take their education seriously and study the material in a way that fosters retention of said material.
next, for whomever quoted her original post with the little emoticon, with the party hat, you are just as bad. ya'll at like, ya'll are in the 7th grade trying to gain up on someone.
get a grip and stop being so damn bitter, which is btw oh so obvious.
like i said, read her posts before you make judgements on others. she is most certainly not a victim that you need to save from the "bitter graduates." btw, just what is it that we're "bitter" about?
I have been just lurking this thread to simply "observe"... as LPNtoRN has moved from trolling Deaconess threads to now doing the same on the EC threads.
I have no reason to be "bitter" as I am not an EC student and I am quite content with my distance learning choices, so I can tell you objectively...LPNtoRN has rubbed many the wrong way here with her comments and replies. If you doubt me, try doing a little reading of her past posts including those not related to EC testing.
Okay and so what? That has nothing to do with the last few pages of this thread. If someone doesn't like her well they don't have to post in reply to her. Why even read it? That to me is trolling, if you want to call it that. I really don't care which way people were rubbed, in another thread that is no reason to try to downgrade what she is doing, and that what has happened here.
I have been just lurking this thread to simply "observe"... as LPNtoRN has moved from trolling Deaconess threads to now doing the same on the EC threads.
I have no reason to be "bitter" as I am not an EC student and I am quite content with my distance learning choices, so I can tell you objectively...LPNtoRN has rubbed many the wrong way here with her comments and replies. If you doubt me, try doing a little reading of her past posts including those not related to EC testing.
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Who's being bitter??? Please read the attitude in her posts in reply to those on here who have tried to give her good advice that she may need down the road in this program. They have not been very nice. Some of us have only responded in kind. I think LPN has shown she can take up for herself, thank you. Think about this, please. Why would anyone here be bitter about her success at taking pot shots at test questions and passing?
What I have seen is many things taken out of context, as well as some people tryip their hardest, to come down on her is some way. And if you read between the lines it is so easy to see. As for her taking up for herself, and? I commented on what I saw whether she can take care of herself or not. So let's not go down that path because I can roll with the best of them. Next. Taking pot shots is not the point, the point is that she passed and is whizzing through her courses (exams).
Really? And when you have your baby, do you want the nurse that studied her butt off at your bedside, or the one who brags about cramming, forgets what she learned, and talks about her patients the way LPN has talked about hers? If you want examples of compassion, read her posts before you make judgements on us, please. And to clear things up, Laurie said she DIDN'T take pot shots at answers. That's why the post wasn't directed at her. I would hope that any future EC nursing students (and that does include you) will take their education seriously and study the material in a way that fosters retention of said material.
Okay, first find me a nurse that has never said anything about their patients. You'll be searching or a while, so I'll move on. I would want a nurse who knows what she is doing, and that has nothing to do with how hard she studied or if she crammed. I don't care how hard a nurse studies, the truth is no one knows what they are doing until they do it. That is the purpose of having theory and clinicals (and, on the job experience with EC, atleast). If studying would do it alone, no one would have to worry about haning to attend a clinical at all. Now,
A little advice for present and prospective students who want to be SAFE RNs when they're done with this program. Cramming will get you short term results, but it will also stay in your short term memory bank. Meaning, later on when you might need that info in your practice, lo and behold, it may be gone. Please study according to any other school's standards, in a way that places the info you learn in your long term memory bank. Value your education that you are paying for...it doesn't have to merely be a means to an end. A safe and disciplined student means a safe and disciplined nurse. Ask yourself if you want to know the info to become a better and smarter nurse, or do you just want to pass that exam? I'd rather have the former take care of my loved ones. I certainly wouldn't want someone that brags about taking "pot shots" at answers on an exam...wouldn't want them taking pot shots at answers when it came to pt care.
, let me make my point
You directed this post, is a way making a reference to people that cram, and on the end you made a reference to those who make pot shots. If your intention was to only direct this at those who, take pot shots, you should have made it clear in your initial comment. Instead you said, that you wouldn't want someone who takes pot shots taking care of patients. Do you see the difference? Just because a person crams doesn't mean that they take pot shots, and just because they take pot shots doesn't mean that they cram. So even if you didn't mean to direct it at Laurie, you did. Simple.
Like I said, read her posts before you make judgements on others. She is most certainly not a victim that you need to save from the "bitter graduates." BTW, just what is it that we're "bitter" about?
And lastly I have read her posts in this thread. i don't need to save anyone. And I am certainly not at fault for people being bitter, graduate or not. And I hope you are not inferring that because a person is a graduate, they have no reason or can't be bitter at someone's else's success that has not yet attained that goal. That would just be ridicoulas.
I don't need a definition, and I didn't ask for one. i know what it means. And I think it is just so funny that some people are so conceded that, they would think a person is stirring things up just for them.:chuckle
Trolling- 1.)Deliberately posting false information in order to elicit responses from people who really want to help.
2.) Intentionally disrupting a Usenet newsgroup by posting obviously inaccurate or inflammatory information hoping to get a rise out of people. The perpetrators are known as "trolls".
3.) The act of deliberately posting false or inflammatory information in order to start a flame war or cause aggravation to others.
I am sorry but I think that until you have actually taken an EC nursing exam then it would be hard for you to make any judgements related to this topic. Once you have completed your LPN program and take an EC exam--then I would find what you have to say in defense of LPN a credible opinion from someone in the same boat. I really don't think that writing in big bold print is a really mature response either. I have not been anything but helpful to our fellow board member LPN--she chooses to ask questions and then not be happy with the responses provided from those of us who have been there. If she does not want a personal opinion then I would advice her to not seek advice from those who have taken the exam(s) and if she doesn't want personal then maybe she shouldn't air her personal life's trials either. I am glad she is accomplishing something positive in her life--we all need that pat on the back from time to time--but I don't agree with being cocky or arrogant. Yes, indeed, I agree that on the job knowledge can help make these exams easier. I personally did not spend more than a few weeks on NC5 and did well...simply because I was exposed to much of the content through personal and work related experiences. I wish everyone taking this route to achieve a nursing degree success. I feel fortunate that I am able to study at home instead of placing my daughter in day care all day. What you put into this program is what you will get out of it...and that applies to almost anything one does!
I don't see, what actually taking an EC nursing exam has to do wih my point. I know this, to pass a test you have to basically know the answers, either by knowledge or have a copy of the answers. It can't be said that you can take pot shots on all of the questions in a test and pass, unless you are an etremely lucky person. With that said, we can safely say the LPN didn't have the answers to the tests, so she had to have the knowledge in some way to pass. Am I correct so far? Anyway what I am saying is that no matter how she attained the what she needed to pass the test, she got it in there somehow. And am sorry, but unless you are a complete idiot you will not lose all or even most, of the information that you get by cramming. So when I see someone being put down for it I think it is ridicoulas. No matter how helpful some replies may have seemed on the surface, it is easy to see, what their real purpose is. As for my writing in bold print, I think it had the same affect as some of the replies here didn't it. But when my bold print becomes the subject of matter, here let me know. As for the personal information that she revealed in this thread, it was directed to one post, and one post only. Now I see others using that to manipulate it into fitting their description of things, which is what 5 year olds do.Who is to say that peopl have to be happy with a response just because they asked a question? Anyway, I did not see that. I saw people not liking the tone of her replys, and not the replys themselves.
New mom,
I am sorry but I think that until you have actually taken an EC nursing exam then it would be hard for you to make any judgements related to this topic. Once you have completed your LPN program and take an EC exam--then I would find what you have to say in defense of LPN a credible opinion from someone in the same boat. I really don't think that writing in big bold print is a really mature response either. I have not been anything but helpful to our fellow board member LPN--she chooses to ask questions and then not be happy with the responses provided from those of us who have been there. If she does not want a personal opinion then I would advice her to not seek advice from those who have taken the exam(s) and if she doesn't want personal then maybe she shouldn't air her personal life's trials either. I am glad she is accomplishing something positive in her life--we all need that pat on the back from time to time--but I don't agree with being cocky or arrogant. Yes, indeed, I agree that on the job knowledge can help make these exams easier. I personally did not spend more than a few weeks on NC5 and did well...simply because I was exposed to much of the content through personal and work related experiences. I wish everyone taking this route to achieve a nursing degree success. I feel fortunate that I am able to study at home instead of placing my daughter in day care all day. What you put into this program is what you will get out of it...and that applies to almost anything one does!
Who's being bitter??? Please read the attitude in her posts in reply to those on here who have tried to give her good advice that she may need down the road in this program. They have not been very nice. Some of us have only responded in kind. I think LPN has shown she can take up for herself, thank you. Think about this, please. Why would anyone here be bitter about her success at taking pot shots at test questions and passing?
Really? And when you have your baby, do you want the nurse that studied her butt off at your bedside, or the one who brags about cramming, forgets what she learned...snip
Like I said, read her posts before you make judgements on others. She is most certainly not a victim that you need to save from the "bitter graduates." BTW, just what is it that we're "bitter" about?
Well, Mouth of the South (and where I come from that is hardly a term of endearment) I see you are rather presumptuous...where on earth have I *bragged* about fogetting what I have learned? Where have I even mentioned this? Truth be known I have probably retained much more than a lot of the esteemed Excelsior nurses who have, to quote another poster who pushed this factoid in my face "been there done that and moved on"...
And why do you refer to my comment about taking "pot shots" at a few questions *bragging*? I was simply referring to how exhausted I was. Toward the end of the test I did in fact answer several questions in haste...you have never done such a thing?
I am getting the impression of a schoolyard bully here. You are majoring in the minors. Should we be impressed you are so learned in the art of trolling? No one is trolling, yet you see anyone with a different opinion and different values from you as a troll.
And I think you are indeed bitter, in more ways than one. Because you have graduated from Excelsior does not make you part of some elite group. It does not mean you have gone where no man has gone before. Do you know how many thousands of people graduate from Excelsior every year? Excelsior tests are not quantum physics or rocket science...but heaven forbid I should disclose that here...
Before I took an Excelsior exam I would get slammed for commenting on EC. I was told, as you are telling New Mom, that until I have taken an Excelsior exam, I don't know what I am talking about. So I have taken not one but four Excelsior exams in little more than a month. I was told before I took NC 3 that it is such a hard exam that many fail it the first time. So I took the exam and made a B. Then I was told that was probably the easiest NC exam. Some of you people are so cynical it's kind of sad...these are not the types I want standing over me when I am helpless and in a hospital bed. Give me a sharp nurse who took a few "pot shots" at some questions on a test and still passed with flying colors than a burned out, jaded nurse who feels she should be sitting on a throne, anyday.
Actually, all the backtracking and hee hawing going on is kind of humorous, adds a little excitement to things. Especially the remark that you shouldn't judge people you don't know (from someone who judges people they don't know--refer to last paragraph of the quoted post above... :chuckle )
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all i will say here is ya'll really need to grow up! and ya'll should know exactly what i mean, it is really said because i am most likely the youngest one here.
lpntorn, is proud of herself as she should be, and i am too. so i say more power to her. and all i have seen from most of you is trying to chip away at her bit by bit. i personally think that some of your are being bitter, whether you are already an rn or not. this just goes to show, no matter how old some people get, they never grow up.
and just as a side note, trying to belittle someone by basically saying "you may have passed the test, but you won't be a good nurse because you won't remember", is plain infantile; and i don't care in what terms or with what words you dress it up with. what makes it worse, is that in the first post you pose as trying to be somewhat helpful and directing it to students as a whole, but when a person talks about herself doing it, you have the nerve to tell her that it was not directed at her. and that by far in my books makes you look like an idiot.
next, for whomever quoted her original post with the little emoticon, with the party hat, you are just as bad. ya'll at like, ya'll are in the 7th grade trying to gain up on someone.
get a grip and stop being so damn bitter, which is btw oh so obvious.