I am curious to know if you would be offended, if at church on Sunday your Pastor got up and said a prayer for Church Mice?
I mean he prayed that the mice be strengthened and given the ability to carry out their mousey duties and to eventually render the Church unusable, so that the Parisheners would finally have to pony up the dough to pay for a new Church.
ok I am kidding here is the original post but hey if you are just now reading this thread there have been many twists and turns and I no longer say a prayer over the deceased and yes largely due to many of the points made in this thread. Also NO i would not be offended if anyone of any belief Satanist, TO Catholic said prayers or whipered chants or whatever in my ear that said it was and is an interesting thread but please read about 5-10 of the current posts prior to posting
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I am curious to know if you would be offended, after death if someone were to say a prayer over you.
I would really like to hear from as many Agnostic or Atheist as possible.
I recently began saying a prayer over anyone that dies in my presence. Many times I do not know if the person had a religious preference or not. I am curious to know if people would be offended if they knew someone was going to pray over them when they die.
here is the prayer
Dear Lord not our will but yours. Into thine hands we commend the spirit of this peaceful child of God. Prepare a place for him/her Now in Your Heavenly Kingdom![/Quote]
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Yes, I would be offended if you sang the Star Spangled Banner over me after I was dead. Especially if you had one of those singers from sports events doing it. It's hard to sing anyway, and then they butcher it!
PS If you'd ever had MY Stovetop stuffing...you all wouldn't be offended by it ever again. Promise. :)
Hey, anyone that can hear would be offended by me singing the Star Spangled Banner. Don't want to make undue assumptions here, but I'll go out on a limb and assume that living people would actually find it more offensive than dead people. As for the Stovetop, what is it that you do to it that makes it so much more palatable? I like to taste bits of goodies in my stuffing, and Stovetop just doesn't cut it.
I personally find it VERY VERY VERY offensive when people stuff a perfectly good can of SPAM with Stove Top!!!!!! And I become outraged when someone prays over it!
Yes, I know what you all are saying: "hell, it anything needs a prayer, it is Stove Top stuffed SPAM."
Hey, anyone that can hear would be offended by me singing the Star Spangled Banner. Don't want to make undue assumptions here, but I'll go out on a limb and assume that living people would actually find it more offensive than dead people. As for the Stovetop, what is it that you do to it that makes it so much more palatable? I like to taste bits of goodies in my stuffing, and Stovetop just doesn't cut it.
I make it with butter instead of margarine, and use chicken broth instead of water (then add an extra 1/4 cup of broth because it's too dry if you don't). Then I add previously sauteed mushrooms (a can of mushrooms if I'm in a hurry), golden raisins and almonds. :) After all that's come to a boil, the Stovetop goes in the pan. And someone will always ask me for the recipe.
I personally find it VERY VERY VERY offensive when people stuff a perfectly good can of SPAM with Stove Top!!!!!! And I become outraged when someone prays over it!
Yes, I know what you all are saying: "hell, it anything needs a prayer, it is Stove Top stuffed SPAM."
Oh... huh... I'm sorry, what was the question?
Now I would have to go the other way here and say I would be offended if someone wasted a batch of Stove top on spam. I mena if you are going to eat sapm correctly it must be fried anyway!
Now I would have to go the other way here and say I would be offended if someone wasted a batch of Stove top on spam. I mena if you are going to eat sapm correctly it must be fried anyway!
Well, poop! Pitt won. I'm trying not to draw any conclusions about the existence of God from this. I don't plan to kill myself, either. If I do die, though, I don't really care whether you stuff me with Stove Top or homemade.
For you bachelors and bachelorettes, though, you can make a nice, easy stuffing with rice (long grain and wild is nice), almonds, raisins, and a little amaretto. It doesn't stick together, but it tastes good.
Apologies in advance for assuming only singles are kitchen-impaired.
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OK... maybe you're right....
What's you're opinion on Stove Top/Jello cubes?
It's an old family tradition... I just started.
Are you talking about jello cubes in the stove top? Can't say as how I think that would be tasty, but OTOH, it probably isn't that much different than mixing stuffing with cranberry sauce, as I do in my day after Thanksgiving sandwich, which I will be partaking of for lunch in a mere 4 hours and 51 minutes. What flavor of jello will you be using for this family tradition?
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What difference does this really make to a dead person? And why is anyone in this country offended by prayer anyway?
The greenback god we all work for says "In God We Trust" and we love him.
Our national anthem goes:
"O thus be it ever when free-men shall stand
Between their lov'd home and the war's desolation;
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the heav'n-rescued land
Praise the Pow'r that hath made and preserv'd us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust!"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!songs credit
The Declaration of Independence references "God", and the "Creator" and we revere it.
The Pledge of Allegiance contains similar religious language, but we all say it over and over again anyway.
We swear oaths on the Bible before testifying in court
And the fact that an overwhelming majority of Americans came out in such force against gay marriage at the polls in the recent elections, claiming that moral issues are more important to them than anything else! This from a population of atheists AND religious people with skyrocketing divorce rates, increasing STDs among unmarried people, increasing number of unmarried people shacking up together, racism, greed, unethical behavior, murder, rape, child abuse, and the list goes on. Where's the morality?
Considering all the cr*p going on these days, I'd say a prayer over a dead body is not the most offensive thing that anyone can do.
Just because the "moral majority" exisits does not mean their view is right...It's just the majority right now....I really believe the reason why the vote went the way it did id because the "moral majority" is great at inflaming public opinion to push their views--"You can't be against the war in Iraq and be a good Christian" They had great success with that little gem... Same with partial birth abortion-If you are Pro-choice to any extent then you must be for partial birth abortion,according to them.........I could go on and on with more examples but I want another cup of coffee...I will add that your point about "the crap going on in the world today" -It is crap IMHOthese things have gone on for freaking ever-It's just that we hear about it instantly in this computer age....Also many intellectual Americans believe that the separation between church and state has blurred and needs to be redefined...That is not to say that they are all immoral atheists,either-----
What difference does this really make to a dead person? And why is anyone in this country offended by prayer anyway?
The greenback god we all work for says "In God We Trust" and we love him.
Our national anthem goes:
"O thus be it ever when free-men shall stand
Between their lov'd home and the war's desolation;
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the heav'n-rescued land
Praise the Pow'r that hath made and preserv'd us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust!"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!songs credit
The Declaration of Independence references "God", and the "Creator" and we revere it.
The Pledge of Allegiance contains similar religious language, but we all say it over and over again anyway.
We swear oaths on the Bible before testifying in court
And the fact that an overwhelming majority of Americans came out in such force against gay marriage at the polls in the recent elections, claiming that moral issues are more important to them than anything else! This from a population of atheists AND religious people with skyrocketing divorce rates, increasing STDs among unmarried people, increasing number of unmarried people shacking up together, racism, greed, unethical behavior, murder, rape, child abuse, and the list goes on. Where's the morality?
Considering all the cr*p going on these days, I'd say a prayer over a dead body is not the most offensive thing that anyone can do.
First, I have nothing against making a buck, but money has never been my god.
Second, I am not offended by the religious beliefs or practices of others--only by those who seek to impose their beliefs on me. This shouldn't be difficult: if I'm not free to abstain from religion, then you only think you're free to practice yours. Toss out the First Amendment and as soon as your religion becomes unpopular, or inconvenient to the state, it's outlawed. We have only as much religious freedom as we are willing to guarantee everyone else.
Third, and finally, a great many of today's social problems, such as the divorce rate, cohabitation, homosexuality--even promiscuity and unwed childbearing--aren't problems at all. They are simply a matter of people arranging their lives as they see fit, and whether anyone else approves of it should be irrelevent. Granted, actual problems may arise in part as a result of these behaviors--STD's, childhood poverty, drug abuse, crime--but the proper business of a just society should be to help minimize the problems, not to decide how we should live. The whole problem with measures like the so-called "defense of marriage" acts is that they are trying to stem the tide of social freedom. That's not just wrong--it's futile. You can call it going to hell in a handbasket if you want to, but people are inevitably going to live the way they want to, and I think that's exactly how it should be.
Okay, really finally, this time: those who chose to pray, and/or those who chose to maintain a more traditional lifestyle, should also be free to do so, obviously. If you want to pray for a dead or dying patient, you should, as long as you aren't imposing your beliefs upon him. But if you fail to respect the patient's beliefs, you're desecrating a corpse--no matter how good your intentions.
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Hey, anyone that can hear would be offended by me singing the Star Spangled Banner. Don't want to make undue assumptions here, but I'll go out on a limb and assume that living people would actually find it more offensive than dead people. As for the Stovetop, what is it that you do to it that makes it so much more palatable? I like to taste bits of goodies in my stuffing, and Stovetop just doesn't cut it.