Obamacare Survives, Supreme Court Rescues 'Big Health'

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[color=#365f91]obamacare survives, supreme court rescues 'big health'

[color=#333333]just a quick comment on the supreme court's decision to uphold the constitutionality of the obama healthcare legislation, i.e. that the single mandate stands.

i recently watched a fascinating video of a talk given by dr oliver fein, a member of the physicians for a national health program, that is doctors in favor of socialised medicine or as it is called in the us, 'single payer', analysing the obama health reform. his view on the supreme court decision was that the judges, and in particular chief justice john roberts, would rule in it favour for fear of what come if they didn't. in other words striking down obamacare would put single payer or other radical reform back on the table. well, roberts deserted his conservative colleagues and voted for obama's law. so dr fein may well be right. ...

[color=#333333]... [color=#333333]this statement just in from one of america's largest nursing unions:

[color=#333333]nurses: 'court ruling does not end healthcare crisis or the need to continue the campaign for reform'

[color=#333333]the supreme court decision should not be seen as the end of the efforts by health care activists for a permanent fix of our broken healthcare system, said the nation's largest union and professional association of registered nurses today.

[color=#333333]to achieve that end, the 175,000-member national nurses united pledged to step up a campaign for a reform that is not based on extending the grip of a failed private insurance system, but "on a universal program based on patient need, not on profits or ability to pay. that's medicare for all," said nnu co-president jean ross, rn. "it is not time to stop, but a reminder to begin that effort anew."

[color=#333333]"nurses experience the crisis our patients continue to endure every day. that's the reason we will continue to work for reform that is universal, that doesn't bankrupt families or leave patients in the often cruel hands of merciless insurance companies," said nnu co-president karen higgins, rn.

[color=#333333]stepping up the fight for medicare for all is even more critical in the midst of the still persistent economic crisis," added nnu co-president deborah burger, rn, noting that nurses have seen broad declines in health status among patients related to loss of jobs, homes, and health coverage. ...

[color=#333333]http://thebrokenelbow.com/2012/06/28/obamacare-survives-supreme-court-rescues-big-health/

I was ecstatic when I found out. My husband was disgruntled, however, only because we don't have single-payer health care like he does in the UK. I told him, baby steps, my dear.

I'm just getting my UK nursing license now and spent quite a bit of time learning about their nationalized health care. It was quite fascinating. They even have a bill of rights document that specifically states that the care given to patients is not affected by their ability to pay. I nearly cried when I read that. Such a beautiful statement. They have their problems, of course, but it is still much better than our system.

One of my best friends from high school had various health issues and talked to me about some serious GI symptoms she was experiencing on top of her asthma. I told her to go to the ER. "babyRN, I can't! I only need one more month before my insurance will kick in without pre-existing conditions. If I go now, I'll have to start all over again and I can't afford my insurance rates going up." Luckily, she's fine. But that is one of the most horrid things I've ever heard of and honestly, the Europeans have a right to look their noses down at us and ask Americans like me while taking my nursing course over there whether people really die in America because of lack of health care and aren't we ashamed of ourselves?

Yep. Pretty ashamed. Until now...

I don't agree. I am from Europe, lived there most of my life and decided to get my nursing degree in the States. I will never go back to their nationalized health care. What you read is not real, just bunch of the words to make them feel better about themselves. Ordinary people just suffer there.

Specializes in cardiac.

I am so excited!!!!

Health care is not a privilege it is a RIGHT!!!!

Example - I just bought a brand new car, no driving hx and/or no previous accidents. I have NO choice but to buy car insurance because it is the law. If I get caught driving without insurance or an accident I have now racked up thousands of dollars in debt....................WITHOUT insurance - the car I hit is totaled and I have no way to pay for their car or mine, SO......what happens - the insurance company of the other car will have to pay to have their car fixed/replaced and will sue me for the money (which I don't have and most likely will never have). The other car's owner insurance rate will go up and to off set cost average prices for insurance will go up.

WHY are premiums going up (at least one reason, I know there are others) - b/c I was irresponsible and did not buy car car insurance or bought it for one month so I could drive the car off the lot and then cancelled.

Is the insurance companies taking away my constitutional rights by making me buy insurance. Is the state taking away my constitutional rights by imposing fines on me for not buying insurance. Is government/state taking away my constitutional rights by imposing my car...........I should have the right not to buy car insurance and pay the bill for the totaled car when it comes in the mail because I have $20,000 dollars in my bank account that I can't wait to give the insurance company.

Just think if everyone bought car insurance and the premiums were lower I may have been able to afford to pay, right?

I don't know if this law is going to be the saving grace to our health care problems but isn't is a start, isn't worth exploring? I mean we haven't tried it yet. I have tried several different ways to make my meatloaf and I am still trying to find a way to make it work.

Now I know car insurance and health insurance or two different things. I know, I know, I know!!!!!! It was just a thought :loveya:

Specializes in cardiac.
I don't agree. I am from Europe, lived there most of my life and decided to get my nursing degree in the States. I will never go back to their nationalized health care. What you read is not real, just bunch of the words to make them feel better about themselves. Ordinary people just suffer there.

I live in the UK for years and LOVED it. There was such a peace of mind knowing that I didn't have to choose between taking care of family or taking care of my health.

Not to mention France has the #1 rated healthcare system.

What part of Europe are you from?

Specializes in allergy and asthma, urgent care.

I'm very happy this act was upheld. As a Massachusetts resident and PCP, I have seen how our state's mandate has made healthcare more available to people over the last few years. People are now getting annual physicals and seeking treatment for potentially serious conditions in a timely matter. ER visits for minor complaints declined. I'm hoping thiese trends spread nationwide. Obamacare is far from perfect, but it has the potential to make a huge difference.

Specializes in cardiac.

One thing I am sure all of us can agree with with.......

When I had my first child in the UK I was young, dumb, and alone. I had no idea how to take care of a baby.

My midwife came to my house everyday to help me care for the baby and teach me how to do it myself. My husband travelled for work and was not always home so I needed as much help as possible.

After I felt comfortable the midwife turned me over to the health visitor. A health visitor is the equivalent to a ANRP in America. She came to my house 2-3x a week (she could more days but that was all I felt like I needed). She taught me how to cook, clean, sterilize, prepare food, freeze food, breast feed, put baby to sleep, swaddle baby(I had no idea what that was at the time :loveya:) , etc. When it was time to transition to solids she came with equipment for me to keep with everything I need to make and store food.

You might think, did I get that for some special reason..........NOPE, everyone gets it no matter of social status.

Just think how many young parents could benefit for the service. Not just young mothers - all mothers. When you are alone you are more prone to postpartum depression and other complications.

Specializes in PICU, NICU, L&D, Public Health, Hospice.
I'm cautious .....there is a middle class struggling. Unemployed and underemployed losing their homes beating the pavement trying to stay in their homes. Struggling to make it day to day, they can't put gas in their tanks and food on the table. For the first time in history there are more poor in the suburbs.......40 % of middle class americans struggle to keep a roof over their heads and can't afford to pay another bill. THey have too much money for medicaid but not enough to get by.....making them pay any additional money will plunge them into darkness. I will benefit because they now can't throw me away or deny me because I am ill........but I remain concerned. I see insurance co getting more money in their pockets and the hospital getting more payments. I see the struggling having to pay more taxes drown under the weight of it all. What is the government going to do with all the penalties/tax they collect for those who don't have insurance? Bail out more banks? I remain skeptical, time will tell.

Indeed, the middle class is struggling and fighting against extinction. What they cannot afford is health insurance outside of this provision or a health encounter in our expensive system without insurance.

Doing nothing is not a good plan for our country...this reform is a start in a very needed reform of our health system.

Specializes in Acute Mental Health.

What I meant was how can there be more jobs if say the reimbursement rate to providors is extrememly low? Or what I see is that here comes another management position while the floor continues to struggle.

Badgercare has copays currently. I've had pts with very low copays but still don't have the cash to pay the copay to be seen. When questioned, it continues to come down to feeding their children or paying the copay to be seen. I guess that just because you have insurance, it doesn't necessarily mean you can afford to use it. If you don't have it, and get fined, how can you pay the fine if you don't have the money? I will bet my paycheck my facility will not add on additional RN's to staff the floor. Just my two cents though.

I've spoken to several Canadians who've left Canada to seek medical attention..."from the USA broken system" They are all in horror in seeing what is happening here. Socialized medicine does not work.

Specializes in Vents, Telemetry, Home Care, Home infusion.

I fixed link to view actual Supreme Court opinion.

Indeed, the middle class is struggling and fighting against extinction. What they cannot afford is health insurance outside of this provision or a health encounter in our expensive system without insurance. Doing nothing is not a good plan for our country...this reform is a start in a very needed reform of our health system.It is paramount to keep the discussion going. This is not a cure for a system under thumb of the insurance giants, but the catalyst for change. When many voices come to the table, the issue is teuley

Specializes in LTC Rehab Med/Surg.

Does anybody besides me get tired of the government telling us what to do?

What to buy. Where to eat. What to eat. What to drive.

The government can now corral me into the health care system they choose. I'm about to get funnelled like a cow at an auction barn.

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