Obamacare and hospitals

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Will non-profit or for profit hospitals stand to benefit more from Obamacare?

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
So a website run by the right-wing Heritage Foundation ran an opinion piece about the ACA featuring an unverified video posted by a conservative group. Hmmmm.

It is remarkable to me that so many apparently intelligent people will accept this sort of thing without batting an eye, but then will refuse to read or listen to a report from a source such as NPR, simply because they question the veracity of ANYTHING coming from what they PERCEIVE to be a liberal media outlet. I wonder if these folks receive some sort of newsletter or similar which details for them which media outlets are "safe" for them to access?

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Specializes in Hospice, Palliative Care.

Good day:

-- just listen to the short video. Then you have liberals trying to twist what we can see and hear with our own eyes and ears. I've had someone the other day try to justify that it was the Republican politicians who twisted Time Magazine to give Obama the Liar of the Year aware... no, it was the 26+ times where Obama is on video lying over and over and over and over again.

Thank you.

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Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.

We don't wonder why, actually.

We are waiting for conservatives to repeal and replace it as promised.

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Specializes in Hospice, Palliative Care.

Good day, toomuchbaloney:

When something is sold on lies, it is a fraud. It has no place to exist, and should not be tolerated in any society. Nursing is supposed to be among the most trust worthy profession; so I find it outright amazing there are nurses who support a law that was sold on lie after lie after lie after lie. So if you have someone ok with lying, then they are not to be trusted especially when they are ok with lying about huge things let alone little things. How do you think it comes across when a trusted profession backs lies? Does it help build the reputation of a trusted profession, or harm it?

Thank you.

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Would it be more beneficial to have millions of Americans with no access to health care?

The only Obamacare alternative I've heard of is a return to the status quo, with a federally subsidized "high risk pool" for people private insurers don't want to cover. Ideally, it would work like auto insurance in many states. Based on insurers' previous habit of declaring everything a pre-existing condition, everyone would end up in the high-risk pool. So why not go single payer?

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Good day, toomuchbaloney:

When something is sold on lies, it is a fraud. It has no place to exist, and should not be tolerated in any society. Nursing is supposed to be among the most trust worthy profession; so I find it outright amazing there are nurses who support a law that was sold on lie after lie after lie after lie. So if you have someone ok with lying, then they are not to be trusted especially when they are ok with lying about huge things let alone little things. How do you think it comes across when a trusted profession backs lies? Does it help build the reputation of a trusted profession, or harm it?

Thank you.

Your side is now running things. Feel free to repeal the law. The polling I've seen throughout this process has shown that, when people are asked about "Obamacare," they dislike it by a large margin, but, when people are asked about the individual features of the ACA (keeping kids on your policy until 26 yo, no penalty for pre-existing conditions, etc., etc., etc.), the individual elements of the law are v. popular. Go ahead and take this stuff away from people who have it now and see what happens. I'm looking forward to watching.

Oh, and, Republicans are hardly in a position to get righteously indignant about anyone in government "lying" ...

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Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
Good day, toomuchbaloney:

When something is sold on lies, it is a fraud. It has no place to exist, and should not be tolerated in any society. Nursing is supposed to be among the most trust worthy profession; so I find it outright amazing there are nurses who support a law that was sold on lie after lie after lie after lie. So if you have someone ok with lying, then they are not to be trusted especially when they are ok with lying about huge things let alone little things. How do you think it comes across when a trusted profession backs lies? Does it help build the reputation of a trusted profession, or harm it?

Thank you.

Oh.

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LIES, you mean lies like the ones that sent us into a war that continues today in IRAQ?

You are amusing. We have heard the whining about the ACA for quite a spell now. At this point it is time for Republicans to stop whining and complaining and to actually do what they have promised. We are waiting for them to repeal and replace it with their improved ideas for health insurance in this country.

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If you were to intentionally compare apples to oranges in the individual market then you can come with all sorts of numbers that are as misleading as you want (speaking of selling something based on lies).

For the same level of insurance, the cost of insurance in the individual market actually went down dramatically. The cheap plans that shouldn't really have been called "insurance" have been taken out of the insurance market, making the overall average for an individual plan go up, but that's for very different insurance.

The problem with the individual market before was that true insurance was too expensive leaving plans in the individual market unlikely to keep people from transferring their costs to those in other markets, despite being just as financially capable of covering their own financial risks. It's financial responsibility at it's most basic, something that I had thought conservatives supported.

Prior to Obamacare, true coverage in the individual market was prohibitively expensive and significantly more expensive than comparable coverage in the group market. The average cost of a family plan in the group market was $14,000, under the exchanges a similar plan will run about $10-$12,000 for a similar out-of-pocket/deductible.

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Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
If you were to intentionally compare apples to oranges in the individual market then you can come with all sorts of numbers that are as misleading as you want (speaking of selling something based on lies).

It is almost impossible to assign any credibility to folks who complain loudly and often about the "lies" surrounding "Obamacare" when those same folks seem completely unable to discern the lies that have been intentionally spread with the intent to misinform and frighten people about the ACA (among other things that people have been intentionally misinformed and frightened about for political gain).

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It is remarkable to me that so many apparently intelligent people will accept this sort of thing without batting an eye, but then will refuse to read or listen to a report from a source such as NPR, simply because they question the veracity of ANYTHING coming from what they PERCEIVE to be a liberal media outlet. I wonder if these folks receive some sort of newsletter or similar which details for them which media outlets are "safe" for them to access?

Obamacare Architect Apologizes For Remarks On The Law's Passage : The Two-Way : NPR

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Specializes in Hospice, Palliative Care.

Good day:

"Would it be more beneficial to have millions of Americans with no access to health care?"

1. Facts and truth matter more than lies. There are approximately 320 million Americans. Approximately 2.5 million of the alleged 8 million on Obamacare didn't have insurance prior to Obamacare. That's 0.78% of the American population who now have insurance.

2. Obamacare involves health insurance; health insurance does not guarantee access to health care in a free society where doctors, hospitals and other providers have every single right to say NO to any insurance (Obamacare or otherwise).

3. Since health care insurance does not guarantee health care access all pro arguments about Obamacare dealing with the words "access" are completely meaningless since insurances and access are completely and utterly separate issues.

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deals with one of the main architects for Obamacare. His remarks were not off the cuff; he made the same or similar remarks numerous times (more and more videos are popping up). Obamacare was sold on a series of lies:

A. If you like your healthcare insurance, you can keep it.

B. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

C. If you like your hospital, you can keep your hospital.

D. Families will save at least $2,500 per year.

E. Obamacare will be deficit neutral.

F. The penalty for not having healthcare insurance is not a tax.

G. And many many more lies.

In addition to the above, you have the liberals who seem to enjoy backing lies in a profession that is among the most trustworthy stating (by not denouncing the lies whatsoever) more lies of their own such as conservatives offered no alternatives without acknowledging Harry Reid blocked approximately 400 bills which would offer fixes to Obamacare, increase employment of Americans, etc. or otherwise provide alternatives.

Now, toomuchbaloney and others, if you want to have people listen to the extremely left side, start by acknowledging the only reasons Obamacare passed was due to the lies and that the Democrats blocked every viable Republican alternative. Then at least you are being honest about your stance vs. trying to be ok with all of the lies that sold the product.

Thank you.

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