Pts abusing "cultural/religious" practices to manipulate RNs - page 6
This has been bugging me for a while. A few weeks ago, we had a postpartum patient who is Jewish (Orthodox), which means that they won't do "work" on their Sabbath (sundown on Friday until... Read More
Dec 10, '06Occupation: RN Specialty: 10 year(s) of experience in NICU ; Joined: Apr '06; Posts: 226; Likes: 92Sorry to butt in but I find it interesting how some posters are stereotyping L&D nurses as judgemental. How on earth can you lump ALL the nurses in a specialty into one category. Granted, I'm not an L&D nurse, but as a NICU nurse and mother of two, I sure as heck know a lot of them. I'm sure some are judgemental, as are some lawyers, priests and midwives, but that's not a generalization that comes to mind about the whole profession!
And it's difficult to respect everyone's wishes especially when you might not know where they are stemming from. Lots of us work in very culturally diverse hospitals. We cannot possibly be well versed in every tradition. Do you know the birthing practices of the Hmong community? How about the Uygurs? Do you speak fluent Urdu?
I'm confused about being committed to BF'ing and wanting a good night's sleep. Even the sleepiest newborns usually only go three hours between feeds. So I don't think you can be a mega BF supported and say that mom should be entitled to a night of solid sleep when she is trying to establish a supply. I know that's not what an LC would say.
I don't have much input on the OP, sorry. I do think it might warrant further investigation but isn't necessarily pathologic behavior. I too am thankful for the information about the Orthodox traditions/practices. The cultural aspect of nursing is fascinating.
Dec 10, '06Occupation: Peds RN Joined: May '05; Posts: 220; Likes: 19You never actually state in your post that the mother was saying she could not breastfeed her baby on the Sabbath. You also never actually say why she sent her child to the nursery. You said she refused to do work. I have a feeling you are bending the truth a bit to be honest. Your post was just incendiary enough without actually giving good detail, which in my experience is one of the telltale signs of a fake post.
Lots of mothers of all religions/ethnicities send their babies to the nursery at night even though they say they are breastfeeding. That may be stupid and misguided, or maybe they are just exhausted and rest is the one and only thing they need at that moment regardless of what it does to the breastfeeding relationship. As a paying customer she has a right to send her baby to the nursery if she wants.
Also, even if this woman were to have her own version of Orthodox Judaism that does not match anyone else's, it's none of your business really. Nothing she did resulted in poor care for her infant, so I think the posts about calling in authorities are stupid.
Dec 10, '06Occupation: Pediatric Nurse Practitioner Specialty: 2 year(s) of experience in Pediatric pulmonology and allergy ; From: US ; Joined: Feb '06; Posts: 1,947; Likes: 1,348Quote from schooldaysWe already clarified that the mother was hospitalized over Yom Kippur, which would explain why she told the nurse "no work" for two days in a row. It is not clear from the original post that the patient believed that nursing or caring for baby overnight was included in "not doing work". I think the two situations are unrelated to each other.You never actually state in your post that the mother was saying she could not breastfeed her baby on the Sabbath. You also never actually say why she sent her child to the nursery. You said she refused to do work. I have a feeling you are bending the truth a bit to be honest. Your post was just incendiary enough without actually giving good detail, which in my experience is one of the telltale signs of a fake post.
Dec 18, '06Joined: Jul '06; Posts: 32; Likes: 8I haven't read all the threads, just the first few pages. Quite frankly I'm shocked at some of the solutions people are suggesting. I am only a student, but I think what would be in the best interest of both mother and child is some support and education. Whoever suggested child welfare should retire. Child welfare will take you seriously, and assume they are dealing with a neglectful/abusive mother because you, a medical professional, said so. All because you don't like the way she manipulates staff? Thats not in the childs best interest- whats in that childs best interest is getting off your duff and doing some teaching/intervention. sorry... i just had to vent... this goes against everything Ive learned so far. i feel better now.
Dec 20, '06Occupation: SAHM, for now. From: WI, US ; Joined: Feb '04; Posts: 2,574; Likes: 322Maybe this would be an instance in which a good PP doula would be of service. I can't remember if it was stated that this was her first child or not, but maybe she was scared of what was ahead and she thought that the only nights she could sleep was when she was hospitalized PP. If she knew that this was a possible resource in her community, maybe she would have relaxed a little knowing that help on the outside was/is possible.
Maybe even better, a PP doula who happened to be of her faith. This person could have explained what was allowed on the Sabbath and what was not, all the while she would have support at home.