Nursing Student Unlawfully Removed from School

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hello,

i am or i was a nursing student until i was removed pending an appeal because i have a medical condition that requires i take a medication that is screened for in a random drug screen. i previously worked in the aircraft field. i am a usaf disabled vet who wants to work in the nursing field. by the way i was in the panama conflict (just cause) and the gulf war. i recieved several medals while on active duty and i am also listed in the national deans list. they removed me from my classes the day before veterans day. i was hoping i could find information about drug screening policies related to nursing jobs. i was told by the nursing staff at my college that all hospitals and clinics require that all nurses that have to take controlled substances at any dosage have to give up their jobs as nurses until they become free of any prescription that fall in the category of controlled substances that are in the classes that are screened for in a drug screen. i have been taking for close to 10 years a low dose of a medication for pain. i have been evaluated by my physicians and cleared to do all of the essential functions of a nurse. i have invested three years only to be told i should go into some other field of study. i know there are a number of nurses that feel pain medication is not the answer for chronic pain, but i have gone from being confined to a wheel chair to being able to keep up with my fellow nursing students because of a low dose of medication. i know pain can ruin lives and some people have lost their lives resulting from the use of medications, but each person is different. one reason i wanted to become a nurse was because of the encouragement of my pain clinic nurse to follow the treatment plan and never give up. if i loose my fight to become a nurse i can say the fact that i was spurred on to make something of my shattered life by this wonderful nurse i will still be a healthier and happier person because of the struggle. i know numerous pain patients who i have become friends with that have given up the fight to go on to be productive citizens because of the obstacles put up by some well meaning employers and educators. some of these people have lost their fight with pain and have to be continually dosed higher with pain medications just to be able to live. they also have to take numerous other medications because of the depression and the anxiety their condition causes.

thank you for listening,

rob

I don't doubt Rob's story at all. Nurses take a lot of nasty stuff without even flinching - and expect it. Because of a long history of nurses not standing up for themselves, there is quite a history of abuses of the system that may or may not go on in other work areas but are definatly illegal. I remember the attitude of my nursing school - the student nurse was always wrong if an instructor disagreed! :crying2:

Hello,

Trying to answer Buttons questions.

I did not know the Board of Nursing would do anything. And how does the ADA represent anyone? I thought the ADA was only a law. ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act)

Please help me contact anyone who would be able to help. If you do know anything I will contact them. If my situation is "Fishy" they will be in the position to know. I would give them all the information. The school has an ADA coordinator and she said that I did not follow up with my instructor and the school said I did not follow up with the ADA coordinator. The ADA coordinator is employed by the school. If you know more info about what I can ask the ADA cooridinator to do for me I would like to know. All I get from the school is "Mr. XXXXXX we understand you have a problem and we would like to help. We will help you find another course of study." I only need one math course to conplete and I will qualify for at least ten different Associate degrees. I need a RN degree to be a RN. An associatets in Criminal Justice or Economics or Elementary Education or ECT. ECT. will not qualify me to be a Nurse. That is the help the school wants to do for me.

I will try to answer your questions but I don't think I will be able to convince you I am telling the truth. I promise you I would not spend as much time typing on this site if I was only making up stories. I always hated writing Essays in school. I was forced at Gun Point to attend English in high school just to get me to go. Well not really but Still....................

You know, I have never understood that saying "Pull the wool over someones eyes" It sounds to me like that would hurt. Im just a red neck country boy who is trying to make it in this Big Old world. I need a muffler on my old junker and a new set of tires. I don't want to hurt nobody. I can't make it as a hillbilly cause I aint got the heart to kill a Dear and I can't stands the taste of Squirrle. All the service stations aint hiring so's I guess I just go on and try to get my Nursing degree. If they-ins will let me.

Thanks,

Rob In Alabama

Specializes in Oncology.

Wow... this is a long thread. Since I'm busy with finals, I haven't had time to read it all, so I'm sorry if I repeat what others have said.

I have some pretty strong opinions about what is going on here, but I will leave it at that. I certainly don't want to offend anyone because of my poor judgement due to lack of sleep.

But I will say this... policies are interpreted differently for different people. It's not fair, but it's human nature to do this. If the school wants to kick someone out of the nursing program for other reasons and an opportunity comes about to use a drug policy to do so, they'll jump on it.

If I were a betting person, I'd bet that there were probably many things leading up to this situation. Is the school still legally wrong? I'd think so. Is the school ethically wrong? I'd really have to know the entire situation. But, my gut feeling is no.

Hello,

Trying to answer Buttons questions.

I did not know the Board of Nursing would do anything. And how does the ADA represent anyone? I thought the ADA was only a law. ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act)

Please help me contact anyone who would be able to help. If you do know anything I will contact them. If my situation is "Fishy" they will be in the position to know. I would give them all the information. The school has an ADA coordinator and she said that I did not follow up with my instructor and the school said I did not follow up with the ADA coordinator. The ADA coordinator is employed by the school. If you know more info about what I can ask the ADA cooridinator to do for me I would like to know. All I get from the school is "Mr. XXXXXX we understand you have a problem and we would like to help. We will help you find another course of study." I only need one math course to conplete and I will qualify for at least ten different Associate degrees. I need a RN degree to be a RN. An associatets in Criminal Justice or Economics or Elementary Education or ECT. ECT. will not qualify me to be a Nurse. That is the help the school wants to do for me.

I will try to answer your questions but I don't think I will be able to convince you I am telling the truth. I promise you I would not spend as much time typing on this site if I was only making up stories. I always hated writing Essays in school. I was forced at Gun Point to attend English in high school just to get me to go. Well not really but Still....................

You know, I have never understood that saying "Pull the wool over someones eyes" It sounds to me like that would hurt. Im just a red neck country boy who is trying to make it in this Big Old world. I need a muffler on my old junker and a new set of tires. I don't want to hurt nobody. I can't make it as a hillbilly cause I aint got the heart to kill a Dear and I can't stands the taste of Squirrle. All the service stations aint hiring so's I guess I just go on and try to get my Nursing degree. If they-ins will let me.

Thanks,

Rob In Alabama

Go to the ADA website. They can provide the information that you need.

Grannynurse

Is the school still legally wrong? I'd think so. Is the school ethically wrong? I'd really have to know the entire situation. But, my gut feeling is no.

Wow..........how can an institution be "legally wrong", but not "ethically wrong"............I thought ethics should surpass legalities all the time?

Specializes in Pediatrics (Burn ICU, CVICU).
Is the school still legally wrong? I'd think so. Is the school ethically wrong? I'd really have to know the entire situation. But, my gut feeling is no.

Wow..........how can an institution be "legally wrong", but not "ethically wrong"............I thought ethics should surpass legalities all the time?

I agree with you.

Unfortunately, ethics don't always surpass legalities. I can think of many things that are ethically wrong but that are legally acceptable.

I don't normally respond to threads, I really just enjoy reading them but I have to agree with the poster who said that there has to be something leading up to this. It is my opinion that a nursing school would not want the legal ramifications of discriminating against a student due to a disability. The way this story is presented, it is obvious that the school is in the wrong. But there are two sides to every story and we are only hearing one side. Is there more to the story? Are there other things that have happened to lead the school to this conclusion? Has your behavior, say in a clinical setting, been consistent with someone who may be impaired? I believe it is possible for someone to legally take a prescription narcotic and still be impaired. I have had to take a narcotic for dental work and do you think I would be safe to care for patients? Certainly not!! There is no way I would have wanted to take care of patients while under the effects of the narcotic I was taking. Please share if there is more to the story...

I don't normally respond to threads, I really just enjoy reading them but I have to agree with the poster who said that there has to be something leading up to this. It is my opinion that a nursing school would not want the legal ramifications of discriminating against a student due to a disability. The way this story is presented, it is obvious that the school is in the wrong. But there are two sides to every story and we are only hearing one side. Is there more to the story? Are there other things that have happened to lead the school to this conclusion? Has your behavior, say in a clinical setting, been consistent with someone who may be impaired? I believe it is possible for someone to legally take a prescription narcotic and still be impaired. I have had to take a narcotic for dental work and do you think I would be safe to care for patients? Certainly not!! There is no way I would have wanted to take care of patients while under the effects of the narcotic I was taking. Please share if there is more to the story...

The poster suffers from chronic pain and has been on long term narcotic therapy. People who take narcotic, on a long term bases, usually do not suffer the side effects, that are normally present in acute use. Therefore, he could function, quite well, without harming his patients. Most nurses have little knowledge about long term use of narcotic.

Grannynurse

Specializes in Critical Care, Pediatrics, Geriatrics.

Rob,

Please do not feel like you have to defend yourself on this board against those who question your story. I think you have provided more than enough information to receive the appropriate advice for your situation. It seems like you are getting it from both ends on this one. I hope you can find a way to resolve this situation. Follow the chain of command, you know...just the same as in the military:wink2: If you were to go directly to the media without first trying to resolve it within the school's administration system, then you and I both know you would come out looking like a fool. You are doing the right thing. Baby steps. Others who seem to be challenging you on what the narcotic is and that you will be impaired because they had to take narcotics for this or that at one short time....It doesn't matter what the narcotic is, you have a valid prescription, and a thirteen year history of use and compliance with the doctor's orders. Don't feel like you have to keep explaining yourself. Take the wonderful advice that has been given and go try to remedy your situation. Much luck and God Speed!

Brittney

Specializes in home & public health, med-surg, hospice.

It's kind of crazy-making to me that we as nurses (or as this case may be, ppl striving to be nurses) do not extend to others within our profession the same consideration or use the same techniques we are taught to use with our patients in R/T therapuetic communication.

Why are so many making value judgements and assumptions, reading into, speculating and suspecting more is at hand than what has been presented by the OP here?

For example, the primary intervention for say Decisional conflict (which is an approved nursing dx. - and falls within this nursing student's needs) would be to: listen to patient's (student nurse's) concerns about making a decision. Use a nonjudgmental approach and encourage expression of feelings. Here's the listed rationale: to demonstrate acceptance of patient (student nurse) and respect for his culture, beliefs and value system.

BTW, you will see "a nonjudgmental approach" emphasized time and again as a technique used to facilitate therapeutic communication, regardless of specific dx.

Why do we not think we (our peers) are unworthy of the same care?

Wow, this is my first post. Hello everyone. Gosh I read this site all the time but I'm posting for the first time cause this thread is kind of strange. I thought the posts were thought provoking until I got to the one voicing concern about the validity of the OP. Wow...that one threw me for a loop.

I would like to ask Buttons why she thinks the post is not valid?

Is this just a feeling, or is it based on fact? Thanks.

Check that, I did post here a year ago I think.

ADN Graduate May '06

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