[h=1]A New Accelerated BSN Program launched to Meet Market Demand[/h]This program is "Designed for individuals who already hold a bachelor's degree in another field, the ABSN aims to produce future nursing leaders.... The degree program takes as little as 15 months to complete.... Enrollment is currently open, with the first cohort of students set to start in May."
The "programs are being implemented to keep up with the latest healthcare trends, including market demand for bachelors-prepared nurses and the growing need for nurses nationwide. The U.S. Bureau of Labor forecasts a shortage of more than 580,000 registered nurses by 2018."
why do we need more BSN nurses when all we do is wipe people up , babysit them, and try to prevent them from falling???? we need STAFFFFFFFF!!!!!!! not BSN's .
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The things you mention are all very important parts of patient care but could in all honesty be learned in a two-week class including clinicals, no college degree of any kind necessary. They are vital to the patient but they are only about maintaining the status quo. We do this, as I realize that you know, so that our patient won't suffer for example a hip fracture, skin breakdown and to protect their dignity.
However it does absolutely nothing to actively treat, help with healing, prevent deterioration of current medical condition or empower patients to manage their own health and lives. Nursing is so much more than just maintaing the status quo.
Where do you work where you feel that performing the tasks you mentioned is all that's required of you? Doesn't your employer expect more? Don't you want more? Doing just the things listed is in my opinion a gross underutilization of a nurse's (any level of degree) skills, knowledge and capacity for critical thinking.
Listen, I understand the frustration of working short-staffed. What I don't understand is being in an extremely dissatifactory situation and not taking steps to change it. (I realize that an individual's personal circumstances like financial situation and responsibilities affect the choices available to that individual but something can always be done). We are the captains of our own ships(lives).
Cheap jerks. Does it make sense to pay for "the privilege" of BS- BSN and incur the costs of the " college" , and still not make anymore money than an ADN?
One reason might be to open doors. If a degree makes more options available and strengthens one's position in the job market, the time, effort and money spent may well be worthwhile. Being able to get a job that one actually enjoys is a huge bonus.
Personally I also find that studying and learning new things is fun. I actually get satisfaction/ fulfillment from it and it affects my happiness. Instead of holding a grudge towards my employer for requiring me to hold a certain degree, I regard attaining said degree an accomplishment and as somehing that benefits me.
This certainly brings to mind the term "sheeple" oh , if only the BS people knew.......
What I don't understand is being in an extremely dissatisfactory situation and not taking steps to change it. (I realize that an individual's personal circumstances like financial situation and responsibilities affect the choices available to that individual but something can always be done). We are the captains of our own ships(lives).
Note the bolds- that is part of the reason, and the other part is geographically we seem to have very few jobs that are available for ADNs beyond bedside pt care. I am working on bsn.but question every time i get that bill for 6000 a semester whether that's worth not getting anymore money for. Ill be paying for this for many years to come.hospital only will pay for what equates to 1 class a year. I live in a very saturated area.My spouse refuses to move.But I'm the main breadwinner and insurance provider.
Being able to get a job that one actually enjoys is a huge bonus.
Ohhhhh, if only ......
If the BS people knew what?
if they only knew that they still will be spending somewhere around 40,000 dollars for said degree,and have he possibility of not getting a job in a saturated market, be extremely abused,and geta bedside hospital job that wont offset the cost of the education
Note the bolds- that is part of the reason, and the other part is geographically we seem to have very few jobs that are available for ADNs beyond bedside pt care. I am working on bsn.but question every time i get that bill for 6000 a semester whether that's worth not getting anymore money for. Ill be paying for this for many years to come.hospital only will pay for what equates to 1 class a year. I live in a very saturated area.My spouse refuses to move.But I'm the main breadwinner and insurance provider.
Ohhhhh, if only ......
if they only knew that they still will be spending somewhere around 40,000 dollars for said degree,and have he possibility of not getting a job in a saturated market, be extremely abused,and geta bedside hospital job that wont offset the cost of the education
Between scholarships and grants, my BSN cost me $13k and I was hired before graduation. Maybe it's not the norm, but I researched to figure out the best school, the best degree, and how to do it with as little cost to me possible. Then I marketed myself well. Plan ahead, research, market. My experience isn't necessarily the norm because I think many people skip those things. I make roughly $25 per hour base pay and my loan is roughly $80 a month. I think I can manage that.
Specializes in Psychiatry, Community, Nurse Manager, hospice.
I'm starting Rutgers ABSN in the Fall. I had an English major and I had to take 3+ semesters of prereqs to get in. Check out the curricula of these programs; the work is in there, at an accelerated pace.
I'm going to have to hear from a real new grad here that she can't get a job before I believe it, because I check job listings all the time and I see a lot of opportunity. My friends who have graduated have not had trouble, they just haven't gotten their ideal position yet, so I still might not believe it. Some people can afford to be picky about their first job, and that is fine, but it doesn't mean they can't get one. I live in the greater Philly area, and I am aware that for my first year (at least) I'm going to need to work in an underserved area. They exist here, in relatively great quantity. I may need to drive to Atlantic county, I may need to work in a very poor, very high crime neighborhood, and I might need to work weekends. I will be lucky if I can avoid nights, I fall asleep at 10:30 pm whether I like it or not, and not sure I can change that at 39, but oh well, I might have to work nights. But I will get a job.
They may be shorter, but LPN programs have 2-3 times the required clinical hours of an RN/BSN program (at least in my state). Less time in the classroom, more time studying on your own and working the hospital floor. But we are also subacute. You take a random person, give them half the clinical hours of an LPN program, then put them on a critical care unit? Well, that's another issue entirely.
I'm starting Rutgers ABSN in the Fall. I had an English major and I had to take 3+ semesters of prereqs to get in. Check out the curricula of these programs; the work is in there, at an accelerated pace.
I'm going to have to hear from a real new grad here that she can't get a job before I believe it, because I check job listings all the time and I see a lot of opportunity. My friends who have graduated have not had trouble, they just haven't gotten their ideal position yet, so I still might not believe it. Some people can afford to be picky about their first job, and that is fine, but it doesn't mean they can't get one. I live in the greater Philly area, and I am aware that for my first year (at least) I'm going to need to work in an underserved area. They exist here, in relatively great quantity. I may need to drive to Atlantic county, I may need to work in a very poor, very high crime neighborhood, and I might need to work weekends. I will be lucky if I can avoid nights, I fall asleep at 10:30 pm whether I like it or not, and not sure I can change that at 39, but oh well, I might have to work nights. But I will get a job.
I graduated from the Rutgers program as well. It took 75% of my class at least 6 months to get a job. The people that got one sooner had connections somewhere. Job listings don't mean anything, as many listings are for experienced nurses or are only up because they have to be when they have an internal candidate already lined up.
Just be prepared to not walk out of school with a job. Hell, it'll take you 3 months to get your ATT from the BON in this god foresaken state.
Note the bolds- that is part of the reason, and the other part is geographically we seem to have very few jobs that are available for ADNs beyond bedside pt care. I am working on bsn.but question every time i get that bill for 6000 a semester whether that's worth not getting anymore money for. Ill be paying for this for many years to come.hospital only will pay for what equates to 1 class a year. I live in a very saturated area.My spouse refuses to move.But I'm the main breadwinner and insurance provider.
Ohhhhh, if only ......
if they only knew that they still will be spending somewhere around 40,000 dollars for said degree,and have he possibility of not getting a job in a saturated market, be extremely abused,and geta bedside hospital job that wont offset the cost of the education
Sound like you've got two primary problems here, and neither one is directly related to the BSN.
1) You have a spouse problem. You're the primary breadwinner, working in a saturated market, and your spouse (for unspecified reasons) refuses to move. That sucks. But being angry at the preference for the BSN degree seems misplaced. Why does the job/education market have a greater responsibility to accommodate you than your spouse does?
2) You have chosen an expensive route to your degree. If you've already got an ADN, you already have credit for those nursing courses plus the prereqs for those courses. Those should get you at least halfway to a bachelor's degree. If you're dropping $40K to finish up, that seems like you've chosen a private school, and I have a hard time believing there are no less expensive options out there.
2) You have chosen an expensive route to your degree. If you've already got an ADN, you already have credit for those nursing courses plus the prereqs for those courses. Those should get you at least halfway to a bachelor's degree. If you're dropping $40K to finish up, that seems like you've chosen a private school, and I have a hard time believing there are no less expensive options out there.
No, this isnt for me- I am completing my classes at a state school but they are around 2000 class. This is an RN-BSN school.
I was referring to the schools that offer ABPNN ( accelerated program for non nurses) and only one in my area offers it , and its about 40,000 year. I was saying that to me was not worth the money.
In all actuality the BSN isn't worth it either, but they pressured us constantly to "finish up" "so when are you finishing your degree?" They wanted to boast that they had the most BSN s in their hospital. I will be outlaying thousands of dollars for the degree( thats more expensive when you can only take one class at a time and work 40 + hours a week) for what- A pat on the back and less harrassment. we get I think 25 cents more an hour for it. And I will be doing EXACTLY what I am doing now. Being a customer service agent, pill passer, babysitter , diaper changer.Teaching frequent flyers , which I do now. Do I need an advanced degree for that?
So as to not stray too far off topic, I just don't understand the push for more Non nurse bachelors programs when the regular BSN's cant get jobs.just a ploy to make the colleges rich.
I live in a rural "shortage" area and am seeing evidence that is not necessary the case anymore. There are 2 RNs resigning this month from my unit and they were able to replace them immediately - as well as hire a float to cover vacations.
However there is very much a need for CNAs and DSPs
Specializes in Psychiatry, Community, Nurse Manager, hospice.
Okay, 6 months to get a job does not seem like a long time to me, so I think we just have some different definitions of "can't get a job".
My husband was laid off from carpentry and was out of work for years and never even got back into the field, he does tree work now. That is my definition of "can't get a job" and being a former English major, I know all about not being able to get a job.
Okay, 6 months to get a job does not seem like a long time to me, so I think we just have some different definitions of "can't get a job".
My husband was laid off from carpentry and was out of work for years and never even got back into the field, he does tree work now. That is my definition of "can't get a job" and being a former English major, I know all about not being able to get a job.
In case you've missed the hundreds of posts on this board, it does take some people years to get a job. Not all, but enough. And like I said, many of my classmates took the better part of a year.
I'm letting you know as someone who lives in the same region as you who went to the same program you have yet to start it isn't a walk in the park. All the job listings you see literally mean nothing. So just be prepared and have a back up plan for paying those student loans should you not be lucky enough to get a job before they start rolling in.
Specializes in Psychiatry, Community, Nurse Manager, hospice.
While I appreciate what you are saying, it just isn't true for me. I haven't even started nursing school yet, and already two of my current students (who are each higher ups in 2 different visiting nurse agencies) have told me they have a job for me when I'm done if I want it. I probably won't want it, but if I need it, it's mine.
So, yeah, I'm not going to have a hard time finding a job, even by your standards. By my standards, and from what I've seen in other professions and fields, it *is* a walk in the park.
The way to get a job is by making connections and networking. I'm not kidding myself into thinking that even half the jobs I see online are available to me, they aren't because I don't have the connections to them. But it does give a good picture of what type of work is generally needed, and where that work is.
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(my bold)
The things you mention are all very important parts of patient care but could in all honesty be learned in a two-week class including clinicals, no college degree of any kind necessary. They are vital to the patient but they are only about maintaining the status quo. We do this, as I realize that you know, so that our patient won't suffer for example a hip fracture, skin breakdown and to protect their dignity.
However it does absolutely nothing to actively treat, help with healing, prevent deterioration of current medical condition or empower patients to manage their own health and lives. Nursing is so much more than just maintaing the status quo.
Where do you work where you feel that performing the tasks you mentioned is all that's required of you? Doesn't your employer expect more? Don't you want more? Doing just the things listed is in my opinion a gross underutilization of a nurse's (any level of degree) skills, knowledge and capacity for critical thinking.
Listen, I understand the frustration of working short-staffed. What I don't understand is being in an extremely dissatifactory situation and not taking steps to change it. (I realize that an individual's personal circumstances like financial situation and responsibilities affect the choices available to that individual but something can always be done). We are the captains of our own ships(lives).
One reason might be to open doors. If a degree makes more options available and strengthens one's position in the job market, the time, effort and money spent may well be worthwhile. Being able to get a job that one actually enjoys is a huge bonus.
Personally I also find that studying and learning new things is fun. I actually get satisfaction/ fulfillment from it and it affects my happiness. Instead of holding a grudge towards my employer for requiring me to hold a certain degree, I regard attaining said degree an accomplishment and as somehing that benefits me.
If the BS people knew what?