excelsior accepted in ?? states

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hi all just wonderin if anyone knew which states do or don't accept excelsior college? I think calif doesn't and colorodo is about to not accept them after the first of the year but other than that I have no idea?

thanks andre'

They sure did.

If you are at all interested, I have attempted to contact EC through Alumni Services several times.

I identified myself as an ADN grad of the program who is very concerned about recent board rulings and EC's program not satisfying an increasing number of state boards for RN licensure.

(I'm not exactly concerned about taking travel assignments in Kansas but that isn't the point.)

I have been asking what is being done about it on EC's end and still haven't gotten any type of response from anyone.

I'm aware that there is a lawsuit going on right now between EC and CA, but I doubt that it will end in anything positive on either end.

IMHO, the entire clinical portion just needs to be revamped and they just don't want to face it. They seem to want to take easier ways out like closing off the program to surgical techs and MA's, and CA isn't buying it.

Surely there has got to be a way that satisfies all parties involved without making us the casualties caught in the middle of politics, pride, and ego.

i think excelsior is well aware of the situation. again, i don't see that they need to do anything to appease california. if you want to practice in california, then excelsior won't work for you. it's as simple as that. as an alumni, you'd have to appreciate that excelsior worked for you.

you'd have to also appreciate that the people at excelsior have a job to do.. mainly, administer the program as the NLN has approved it. they're bombarded with folks saying "you should do this, or you should do that". they simply can't respond to all the chatter out there.

as it stands today, if i were not enrolled, i'd enroll in excelsior in a heartbeat. i think they're doing a great job, and it's really not all that easy to get im. imo, it's harder to become a paramedic and then do excelsior than it is to go to a traditional nursing school.

again, i'd have to ask... where is the evidence that excelsior nurses are harming people through incompetent practice? can anyone present any hard evidence? what about error rates of traditional nursing school students? before condemning the program, i'd say it would only make sense to look at hard evidence, and compare error rates. i've only seen opinions of people who "just know".

it's not all that easy to get through excelsior, including the cpne. many fail to finish, and imo, they shouldn't be nurses. i know nurses now that i don't believe would have a prayer of a chance getting through excelsior. and these nurses went through traditional programs. what does this say about excelsior?

and what about grade inflation in traditional nursing schools?... if we want to talk about a rampant problem, i'd submit that there's one for you :)

i know of one very highly rated bachelor's program where the top student has failed the nclex twice now. what about traditional programs where the pass rate is 60%. would you want that nurse working on you?

i think this topic has been beaten to death. i'm siding with the education professionals at the NLN, rather than the nonsensical inane prattle of the california board of nursing.

Specializes in Peds stepdown ICU.

Trauma,

I also wonder where this hard evidence of rampant patient killings is??? I am here in Cali and have yet to hear of any hard evidence. This thing is beyond a beaten horse. There are a few on here that disagree with Excelsior...they turn mole hills into mountains. Fact is, I have had no problem obtaining job offers and a good paying job here in Cali--even with my wee EC degree. I have 10+ years of experience--mostly vents...guess who the new grads ask questions to when working with the LTV's...little EC grad me. My evaluations have always exceeded the limits of average. I was the only new grad to pass a PBDS test at one hospital. The truth is, there is good and bad nurses from both types of programs...and both types of programs have plus and minus aspects. Now lets hual this dead horse to the glue factory.

Missy

Specializes in icu.

are there any other schools in the country that states don't want to license? each state has it's own nursing school requirements so why is excelsior picked out? going to nursing school in idahoe is different then going in georgia. so why would those 2 states accept each others nursing grads?

Trauma,

I also wonder where this hard evidence of rampant patient killings is??? I am here in Cali and have yet to hear of any hard evidence. This thing is beyond a beaten horse. There are a few on here that disagree with Excelsior...they turn mole hills into mountains. Fact is, I have had no problem obtaining job offers and a good paying job here in Cali--even with my wee EC degree. I have 10+ years of experience--mostly vents...guess who the new grads ask questions to when working with the LTV's...little EC grad me. My evaluations have always exceeded the limits of average. I was the only new grad to pass a PBDS test at one hospital. The truth is, there is good and bad nurses from both types of programs...and both types of programs have plus and minus aspects. Now lets hual this dead horse to the glue factory.

Missy

i couldn't agree with you more. any nursing program will graduate both good and bad nurses, and molehills aren't mountains. it would be ridiculous to assert that a newbie out of school could even compare to someone with your knowledge and experience. that the california board of nursing would license a newbie and not someone like you speaks to an ego driven bunch of folks on a huge power trip, who cannot competently do their job and serve the public.

i'd like to see someone here explain how the california board of nursing has more educational expertise than the NLN. any takers for this?

and notice that no one has offered a state board that won't allow reciprocity to an excelsior grad (since i'm going to call that state board myself and verify this, and either agree or disagree here in an open forum), despite the assertions that "ec isn't accepted". why are there no takers? i am trying to hold this issue up to the light, and get directly to the truth.

again, where is the hard evidence?

are there any other schools in the country that states don't want to license? each state has it's own nursing school requirements so why is excelsior picked out? going to nursing school in idahoe is different then going in georgia. so why would those 2 states accept each others nursing grads?

It is the format of how the school is set up. Going to nursing school in Idaho or even New York should not be different. All nurses that graduate from a an accepted program take the same NCLEX exam for licensure.

And as you stated above, each state has its own requirements. Excelsior is a Distance Learning program, so it is not based in one state like other traditional programs.

again, i'd have to ask... where is the evidence that excelsior nurses are harming people through incompetent practice? can anyone present any hard evidence? what about error rates of traditional nursing school students? before condemning the program, i'd say it would only make sense to look at hard evidence, and compare error rates. i've only seen opinions of people who "just know".

The California board did conduct such a study but they did not publicly release it due to confidentiality agreements with hospitals who had requested the study.

and what about grade inflation in traditional nursing schools?... if we want to talk about a rampant problem, i'd submit that there's one for you :)

Uh ... the highest grade on our final exam was an 83, and the failure rate in my class right now is 30 percent (which includes two LVN's, btw). Feel free to read the general student forum where similar and, even higher traditional program failure rates are posted. In the past year, my school has raised the pass rate from 70 to 75 percent. While many people in my class, particularly those who failed, wish there was grade inflation, it just isn't happening.

what about traditional programs where the pass rate is 60%. would you want that nurse working on you?

I don't know about other states but, that program would not be accredited in California. If the school's NCLEX pass rate is less than 70 percent for two years, they lose state accreditation.

I agree that traditional education needs to improve. But the key to improving traditional education IMHO is more clinicals, not less. EC's alternative of dropping clinicals all together doesn't improve the quality of nursing education, it weakens it.

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again, i'd have to ask... where is the evidence that excelsior nurses are harming people through incompetent practice? can anyone present any hard evidence? what about error rates of traditional nursing school students? before condemning the program, i'd say it would only make sense to look at hard evidence, and compare error rates. i've only seen opinions of people who "just know".

And that's all your going to get.

Believe me, my old posts sounded just like yours.

After reading some very disturbing posts from people about EC here, I desperately searched for anything concrete about EC grads and incompetent practice, mistakes, etc. and found nothing.

I combed through archives in multiple CA newspapers and news stations, nothing. Even CNA's own website, who apparantly was a driving force in the CA decision about EC, contains no info whatsoever about EC.

I searched through "allnurses" threads and only found one first hand account of someone who worked with an EC grad and had problems.

So then I posted my own thread here about a year ago, give or take, asking if anyone precepted, supervised, worked with, etc. any EC grads and had any problems with them.

I asked for any stories people could share, not just stories of big mistakes.

I asked for any tiny thing that someone might notice that was missing in the EC grad that might be needed as a new RN.

No reponses, so I posted it again.

Then I got reponses from people who did work with or supervise EC grads, but had nothing negative to say about them and all of the responders felt that they were just as competent as any other new RN.

EC is a topic posted so frequently here that I have a hard time believing that there are so many incompetent grads running around but nothing ever surfaces here. A big website full of nurses from everywhere.

None of the negative posts come from anyone that actually works with or supervises EC grads, in fact many of the posts come from students and not even RN's themselves.

That combined with the lack of any type of media coverage or internet info made me come to the conclusion that the whole thing was nothing more than a political move and what you're seeing is a BNE who caved in to heavy lobbying if not outright bullying from one loud nursing union and one big hospital corporation. The CA BNE is a puppet and they are pulling the strings.

Lizz, I'm not saying that I don't believe you or that CA never conducted any such study, I'm sure that they did gather data prior to their decision.

I just can't believe that for 30 years, IL was the only state that didn't license EC grads and that mistakes/incompetency was going unnoticed for years in the other 48 states that licensed them.

I also refuse to believe that this incompetency was so widespread yet the press never got a hold of it, especially on a state and local level, in any of the other states let alone CA.

I'm sure that the public in CA would be very interested in news coverage about a "diploma mill" that gave incompetent people access to RN licensure and are working in their local hospitals and clinics killing and hurting patients.

Confidentiality agreements are not "Fort Knox," if it was truely that big of a problem, it would have leaked somewhere long by now.

So why are there no stories out there to be told? Because there either are no stories, or they are so far and few and have been so grossly exaggerated that there is not enough substance left in them to be told.

That was my conclusion after a long search for anything related to "EC grad problems."

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.

Wow, i thought this thread was all about what states accept EC, not what people don't like EC. :rolleyes:

Specializes in Peds stepdown ICU.
Wow, i thought this thread was all about what states accept EC, not what people don't like EC. :rolleyes:

:yeahthat:

so the california board of nursing conducted a study that can't be made public.... hmmmm... i can't think of any discipline where the results of secret studies are accepted as factual. you can design any "investigation" to prove a point you're trying to prove. that doesn't mean it would stand up to critical examination, and it proves absolutely *nothing*. very convenient that nothing can be made public. i can't think of another discipline where this would receive any credibility, yet some would accept it as gospel. where are those critical thinking skills?

i think it would have been as pedinurse said... this terrible epidemic of vending machine nursing licenses exposed. i've reached the same conclusion. there is no substance to this, or we'd have seen some independent verification. if this had been a true story, it would have been great for 60 minutes.

wow, i thought this thread was all about what states accept ec, not what people don't like ec. :rolleyes:

yes. this is what the thread is supposed to be about. please be kind to others, and keep the focus to the original post, or feel free to start a new thread.

Does anyone know if Arkansas state board of nursing accepts Excelsior or not. I sure hope so. I have started the program through Rue ed. Please tell me that I didn't just waste my time and money.:sniff: :sniff:

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