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reply to rnwriter post 29: you say take the time to teach them. you're not going to teach a bpd anything because they aren't going to learn due to the nature of their disorder. that would be like taking time to teach somebody with a low intelligence calculus.

in our hosp you have to do a body search before you are allowed out onto the unit. they have to take off their clothes at the same time covering as much of their body as possible so staff can check for scars, bruises, contraband, ect. they search pockets and shoes ect.

i've learned a lot. i learned it's a developmental disorder, some people take it seriously and think it's real (unlike in my part of the country), it's how a person deals with the world according to their own unfortunate upbringing, and that there are people who actually care about this population (unlike in my part of the country). it's so complicated and ingrained it's very difficult to treat successfully. the mental health system does the best it can. there was a lot of good info in this thread.

i guess i have nothing else to add. i think it would be good to hear from a nurse who grew up in africa though. or any other culture where they don't have this.

i understand that millions are spent on it unsuccessfully. where i work the things that have been said in this thread are not taught. we are taught they are self centered, ect. one of my co workers was talking how a bpd was wanting attention for cutting on herself. the patient reported this and my boss told my co worker - you NEVER tell a bpd they're trying to get attention because they will do anything to prove you wrong. this statement tells me that bpd are nothing more than people who live to play games. you can't cure people like that. just like you can't cure people who like heavy metal music. wasting millions of dollars trying to cure them is ridiculous. my ideas are aimed at the point of the prob - go to an enviroment where you can't play games and maybe you'll learn you can live without playing games. this isn't an illness - it's a lifestyle. a lifestyle of playing games. and as for talking about the money - people were saying it's inhumane or not empathetic - if donald trump has gold furniture does that mean he's inhumane or not empahtetic becasue there are people starving to death and he buys gold furniture instead of feeding them? don't call people inhumane or empathetic when people starve to death and others drive suvs and live in large air conditioned houses.

like i said millions spent unsuccessfully on complicated treatments. let's say you have to catch a bus and you arrive at the bus station 5 minutes late and miss it. you learn that tommorrow you must get there early in order to catch it. or as dr. phil mcgraw said - if we can't figure this out in 2 days one of us is a fool. "borderline" are surrounded by people who enable them. if everybody and eveything (like mental health system) just dropped them then they would learn new ways. well if that's inhumane thinking than is not sending all your extra income that you use on vacations ect to starving people inhumane? remember at the end of the movie schindler's list he was upset because he thought if he sold his watch he could have saved another life.

i have friends from africa and they impress me. the african friends i have that work at the psych hosp who all say they don't have these type of disorders in their country come from big citites and are educated - they aren't from 3rd world countries. "borderlines" don't kill themselves they treaten to kill themselves or try in such a fashion that they will be saved - for example in front of somebody or tell somebody who knows how to call 911. if you truely want to kill yourself you will do it you won't threaten it.

i guess this thread has run out of steam. and our country spends millions to unsucessfully treat "borderline" every year. but i guess we have money to waste otherwise we wouldn't.

sounds like a future serial killer to me.

is there abuse in his home? some kids act out because they are immatating their parents behavior.

one of our state hosp actually has a unit for borderline only. as for borderline being sensitive about watching video of themselves the therapist can start off by saying with your disorder you may react by being over sensitive so we can deal with that along the way. and to meryteapot - there's nothing restrictive about going to africa to get better. when somebody goes off to college in another place are they being restricted?

by law if you release a stalker from a psych hosp you have to let their victim know. i'm wondering if you're allowed to let the local humane society know that this guy is around? i would think this guy would be sent to state or strongly sedated. don't most serial killers start off being cruel to animals?

the goal of mental health is to keep people in the least restrictive enviroment possible. i would think locking up borderline would delay it's development even more. the best treatment is life itself not being locked up. another thing i just thought of is vidio tape people with their permission and have them watch it. then a professional can exam the video with the patient and explain how they are coping.

i guess i have nothing else to add. does anybody else have alternate treatments?

i view things as simplistic because you don't have all the time in the world. you only spend so much time alive. when people make things like borderline so detailed and in depth you are wasting time or i should say you run out of time. as dr. phil mcgraw says about therapy if we can't figure this out in 2 days then one of us is a fool.